Hello all, Very long shot but can anyone tell me whether during 1943 there was an army other rank called JACKMAN being held POW anywhere in Italy? I know I may be asking a lot but it's important ... Cheers Skip
Skip, I can have a look in the POW list for 1943, the infamous WO392/21. This listing is known to contain errors, but for your purposes it may give you something to go on. Let me know. Steve
Steve - I'd really appreciate a check through that file if you can bare it! Trevor - thanks for checking the E&E log - appreciate that also.
Here you go Skip, apologies for the slight delay. Only three men named Jackman, I thought there would be more. POW Camp down the left hand side, Record Office number down the right. These men probably went on to camps in Germany, Austria, Poland etc. Jpeg is not great I'm afraid, the service numbers are: T/175258 5504252 6291160 I hope this will help in some way soon. Steve
Hi Steve Searching Ancestry POW's 1939 - 1945 name 'Jackman' in German camps the results show 21 - ? A E Jackman Army Air Corps Limburg, Baden-Württemberg 6469336 XII-A 45 A S Jackman Royal Army Service Corps Hohenstein, Hesse T/175258 248183 IV-A 29 C F Jackman New Zealand Eichstatt, Germany 26181 4975 O7B H D Jackman Royal Army Service Corps Malbork, Poland T/107271 6943 XX-B 29 H J Jackman Royal Army Service Corps Blachownia, Poland 128453 6633 BAB 21 29 J Jackman York and Lancaster Regiment Torun, Poland 2047361 4879 XX-A 20 J A Jackman Royal Army Service Corps Lambinowice, Poland 176352 24857 344 29 J D H Jackman New Zealand Torgau (Elbe), Germany 37432 275595 4D J G Jackman Hampshire Regiment Gneixendorf, Austria 5504252 154434 XVII-B 23 J W Jackman Pioneer Corps Rotenburg an der Fulda, Hesse 34331 1316 IX-A/Z M O Jackman Australian 2/32 I. Bn. Teschen, Czech Republic VX37065 34549 8B P A Jackman Reconnaissance Corps Oerbke, Lower Saxony 420147 70823 357 3 R G Jackman Queen's Royal Regiment Lambinowice, Poland 6085880 956 344 23 R H Jackman Royal Artillery Lambinowice, Poland 5619996 15448 344 8 R H Jackman [SIZE=14.3999996185303px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.3999996185303px]New Zealand[/SIZE] Weinberg (Wurtemburg), Germany 31567 2248/36 O5A R H Jackman New Zealand Gorlitz, Poland 13546 33082 8A W A Jackman The Buffs Hartmannsdorf, Saxony 6291160 258306 IV-F 23 W C Jackman New Zealand Hohenstein, Germany 36364 16499 4A W F Jackman Royal Air Force : Officers & Other Ranks Sagan and Belaria, Poland 80921 1389 L3 W J Jackman Royal Air Force : Officers & Other Ranks Kopernikus, Poland 1163494 9684 357 W M Jackman South Africa Kunau Kr Sprottau, Sagan, Poland 3415 75225 8C I haven't checked them out bit some of course could be from Commonwealth countries (Aus, NZ, SA, etc etc ) edited to add: Countries those not UK 11/12/2014 TD
I am guessing somewhat here but those without a regiment/service etc are probably commonwealth, as would Jackman M O as I think it shows him in 2/32 I Bn which I think would be an AIF (Australian Infantry). In other words those with a regiment or service (eg RAF) are generally British (UK) servicemen. TD
Blimey! Thanks for this Steve and TD - much appreciated. The man I'm looking for was captured in North Africa in late 1942 (c16/09/42) and, I'm guessing, would therefore have been transported to Italy for 1943 (fair assumption? Or were other POW sent elsewhere, i.e. Greece?). All I know is his surname, not even parent regiment, but its very important that I figure out whether he survived the war. Will sit down tonight and try and cross-reference both your lists against the CWGC listings for Jackman. Really appreciate your replies. Cheers Skip
Hi Skip The list I gave is for those held in German POW camps, they may have been transferred there from Italy after the Italian surrender, or captured in Northern Europe, it is pretty well impossible to know which one they may be. An assumption perhaps is that those transferred from Italy to Germany would possibly be placed in Austrian or southern German camps, I do not suppose the Germans would have moved them from Italy to northern German or Polish camps at that time - this is a pure guess on my part. TD
Cheers TD - I will go through the list and try and figure things out. Its turning out like a game of 'Guess Who?' but hope to come up with an answer soon.
Hi Skip I have edited post #6 to provide the countries to those which are not UK which will whittle the number down a little for you. TD
Hi, POW's transferred from Italy post Sept 1943 Armistice could end up anywhere in "Greater Germany". My Dad ended up in Austria but his mate, with whom he was captured, ended up at Lamsdorf. Regards Steve Y
TD - many thanks for the edits. Just about to start having a look now and will post results Tullybone - thanks - of I don't get a result from the Germany POW list then I will start looking at Austria too
OK I have compared the army POW list kindly supplied by TD and Steve (19 army pax all nationalities) with that of WW2 army casualties named Jackman (137 pax all nationalities). There is no cross over of service numbers, i.e. all of the POWs survived the war. So, my search now concentrates on three possibilities: 1. Either one of the POW list is the Jackman that I'm after and he survived the war (but I have no way of finding out which, i.e. where they were captured, short of getting all their service records) 2. The Jackman I'm after was never captured and survived the war (impossible to trace with the little info I have) 3. My Jackman remained free but later died in service (see possibles below). 4. I have the wrong surname! Option 4 does bare thinking about, whilst options 1 & 2 seem to be, quite possibly, a Black Hole down which the last of my sanity would filter. This leaves Option 3: There were four British Army Jackman's that were died in locations possible to the story i.e., on the European mainland as a POW not recorded on the lists mentioned, or close to where he might have died if he remained free (N. Africa): GERMANY Cpl Benjamin Charles JACKMAN [5619479] 9th Bn Cameronians, died 16/02/45, buried Reichswald Forest War Cemetery, age 32 ITALY Sjt Jack Robert JACKMAN [2654708] 2nd Bn Coldstream Guards, died 14/04/45, buried Argenta Gap War Cemetery, age 33 Gdsm William Frederick Albert JACKMAN [2622760] 5th Bn Grenadier Guards, died 01/09/44, buried Florence War Cemetery, age 22 LIBYA Pte George John Haig JACKMAN [6021509] 1/4 Bn Essex Regt, died 26/06/43, buried Tripoli War Cemetery, age 26 So, my question is this: Is it possible to discount any or all of these men via their units, i.e were these sub-units in action near to where these men are buried? My man was behind the lines in Libya away from any regular formation when captured/evading (if he remained free he may well have been picked up and died of wounds later). If this can be narrowed down I will get my cheque book out and try for service records! Any pointers, as always, greatly appreciated! Cheers Skip
Hi Skip Reading back through this thread, you haven't said what started this quest or where this mans name has appeared from . Is it from a memorial, a gravestone, a document, a ???????? Knowing that may help to narrow things down a bit - it may not. But if it is possible to post the original info it may provide something as yet unseen TD
Sorry - I did think I'd just see about the POWs with this surname in Italy and then got carried away ... Background is this: A veteran friend of was L' Detachment SAS on Operation Bigamy, the September 1942 large scale raid on Benghazi during which there were several men badly wounded. Four had to be left behind and a 'medic' was left with them to make sure the Italians took them in. According to contemporary accounts the four wounded men died in captivity and they are all certainly commemorated on the Alamein Memorial. For reasons I won't explain I think its more likely that they died without having been captured. However, the main point is that the 'medic' is also recorded in these accounts as having died several months later, even though he was not wounded. Where that info came from I don't know but its been bugging my elderly friend to remember the man's name and to find out what happened to him. He thinks that the man grew up in Coventry and that his sister married another member of the Regiment post-war so having narrowed down the field I have come up with the name Jackman. I now need to prove/disprove this hence the inquiry. I was trying to ascertain whether anyone of that surname was captured and then died as a POW (it seems not), or whether he died whilst still evading (possible). Obviously not knowing a first name or service number doesn't help and even though I know his sister's mother's maiden name the census doesn't cover that particular period to find a birth certificate. Very frustrating!
Hi Skip, I hope you can track you man. The WO392 file is for men held by the Italians, as of August 1943. As mentioned earlier it is known to contain errors, I must admit I was expecting a few more Jackman's than just the three. But, I guess for you, it might have been better to have just three!!
Skip, just noticed your question on the 4 guys died in NWE, including a Cameronian. That Jackman was KIA 16/2/45 at Battle of Moyland Wood, Germany (Op Veritable) - nearly all the Cams from that attack were buried at Reichswald Forest. One down. Cheers, Smithy
