Ivor Godwin-Monck: Casualty 6/12/40

Discussion in 'War Grave Photographs' started by CL1, Sep 16, 2012.

  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Again many thanks for your time and trouble.
    I am still waiting for CWGC to get back to me re civilian casualty status.

  2. BrianM59

    BrianM59 Senior Member

    Clive -I'm enjoying myself, just a bit frustrating not being able to get out of work and do a bit of research.In fact, I'll eat my hat if we can't find him, well I would if I had one....
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  3. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Brian - Cyril's date of death doesn't match with CWGC
    And from another online history site: "1940:- Chester's first war casualty: Fireman Cyril Dutton killed by falling timbers in Foregate Street during Nov 20th air raid.
    Elizabeth Moore seems to have been in a different incident or died some while after 29th November or 5th December or whenever she was injured/killed....
    MOORE, ELIZABETH. Rank: Civilian. Date of Death: 01/01/1941. Age: 64.
    Reporting Authority: CHESTER, COUNTY BOROUGH
    Additional Information: of 9 Old Crane Bank, Crane Street. Wife of Thomas Moore. Died at 9 Old Crane Bank.
    We have two deaths at Barrowmore unaccounted for.... if Cyril was one, then Godwin-Monk does look to be the other missing name.... that's IF Cyril was at Barrowmore and the details seem to be quite different - but mistakes can be made about location, he could have been STATIONED at Foregate St for example....
  4. BrianM59

    BrianM59 Senior Member

    Kevin, I think Cyril was killed in the city - the air raid was extensive - in fact I think the only big raid Chester suffered - I did manage to get a glimpse of: A History of the County of Chester: Volume 5 part 1: The City of Chester: General History and Topography Author C.P. Lewis, A.T. Thacker (Editors) (2003)

    "The early years of the war were the most dangerous for civilians, although a succession of air raids from late 1940 to early 1941 did little damage. Throughout the war there were 232 alerts: 44 high-explosive bombs and three incendiaries were dropped on the city. On each of the worst occasions, 28 November 1940 and 1 July 1941, three people were killed and three seriously injured. (fn. 10) The Home Guard was established for local defence in 1940, but by 1943 the threat of invasion had passed and in 1944 it was disbanded. By then road signs had been re-erected and the Roodee reseeded for sheep pasture. Rocket attacks on London brought fresh evacuees to the Chester area."

    Like you, I'd guess Mrs Moore died of her injuries?
  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Received form CWGC

    Thank you for contacting us on 8th March 2013 regarding Aircraftman 2nd Class I F C Godwin-Monck.

    If you wish to contest the findings of the MOD in the case of the commemoration of the above mentioned serviceman as a war casualty, may I suggest that you write to them at the following address:

    Building 824
    RAF Northolt
    West End Road
    HA4 6NG
    The details of civilian casualties of the Second World War were supplied by the reporting Local Authorities around the United Kingdom to enable the Commission to compile a Roll of Honour. Ivor Francis Charles Godwin-Monck is not however, named in the roll. The cause of death on the death certificate; 'Due to War Operations' may therefore refer to his death resulting from enemy action, either at the Royal Infirmary in Chester or perhaps he was injured at another location and died whilst being treated in the infirmary sometime afterwards but for some reason, the local authority omitted to report him as a civilian casualty. If you have any knowledge as to the incident he may have been killed or injured in, and can provide evidence such as local press reports, an obituary, records from the infirmary etc... to support this, we will of course be very pleased to give this case further consideration.

    I await your response in due course.

    Yours sincerely
  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    I have sent off further details to the Air Historical Branch at RAF Northolt and await their reply.
  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Air Historical Branch at RAF Northolt,state he had just been discharged when he died and they do not have any details that his death was attributed to any events whilst in RAF service.
  8. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    Unfortunately this is not the news that is going to assist the cause to have him appropriately commemorated.
  9. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    I have been contacted by Dominic a new forum member who is the Nephew of Ivor.
    Dominic has a few more details which I have asked him to post.
    We can then see if Ivor can be commemorated as a civilian casualty.

    Last edited: Aug 12, 2017
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  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    With grateful thanks to Dominic,Ivors nephew for allowing the posting of the photo below.
    It would appear Ivor was not killed in the air raid or died from injuries.
    If anyone can add more info re Barrowmore hospital Dominic would be most grateful.
    BARROWMORE HOSPITAL | The National Archives


    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Aug 13, 2017
  11. BrianM59

    BrianM59 Senior Member

    Clive - sounds interesting - presumably the hospital records reveal that Ivor wasn't a patient there? By the way, is it me, but I can't see the attached image in your last post?
  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Hello Brian i have also added attachment
  13. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Please find a photo of the Sanatorium below
    From Rootsweb Chester Health Services Info;-
    Barrowmore Hospital began life as a Hall built 1879-82 for Hugh Lyle Smyth DL JP of Liverpool. He was the eldest son of Ross T Smyth of Ardmore, near Londonderry, Ireland. It began life as a hospital in 1920 and was known as the Barrowmore Sanatorium & Colony for Ex- Servicemen. In 1948 it became part of the NHS and was transformed into a Regional Centre for Major Surgery taking patients from across Cheshire and Merseyside. It was closed in 1983 but the Colony, now known as Barrowmore Industries, still continues on the Estate.

    The Sanatorium & Colony for Ex-Servicemen

    The family transferred ownership of the Barrowmore Hall Estate in 1920 to the East Lancashire Committee of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem and the British Red Cross Society. It served as a Colony for the treatment, training and after-care of Ex- Servicemen suffering from Tuberculosis. The Sanatorium, as it was then called, started with 70 beds. It gradually extended until by 1940 there were 165 patients. The population in the Colony or Village Settlement was by then 103. Colonists lived in cottages built on the border of the Estate. They continued to work in the rehabilitat-ion section of the Barrowmore Industries, A Hostel for 21 unmarried men had also been built by then.

    Their majesties, King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, as Duke and Duchess of York visited Barrowmore Sanatorium on the 26th March, 1931, and inspected the Estate, chatting to patients and staff.

    In the early hours of the 29th November 1940, a German bomber dropped a land mine on the Estates. When it blew up 20 patients and staff lost their lives. It also badly damaged the buildings and the main Sanatorium was damaged beyond repair. The then Voluntary Committee approached the Ministry of Health, "who gave every possible help aid encouragement in the building of a new Sanatorium". The first part of this was opened in 1943 with capacity to take 50 patients. In addition there were 50 Chalets for the convalescent patients.

    Chester Chronicle Saturday 5th May 1944. New Barrowmore Sanitorium - "1940s Blitz Recalled" - Chester Royal Infirmary Help Acknowledged
    The new sanatorium at the East Lancashire Tubercolsis Colony Barrowmore Hall, near Chester to replace the buildingthat was destroyed by an air raid on the 29th November 1940, 18 patients and 2 members of the staff were killed - was opened by Sir Arthur Abrahams, CBE, Vice Chairman of the Finance Committee of the Joint Red Cross and St johns War Organisation on Wednesday. Sir William Coates, Committee Chairman thanked Chester Royal Infirmary, who took in all the wounded, treated them most carefully and well and did not accept any remuneration..


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  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Chris Harley will have another look at this later this month thanks to all for their input
  15. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    I have contacted Cheshire archives who were very helpful and they will call me back next week if they can find anything
  16. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    I contacted Cheshire archives and have now received confirmation that Ivor Godwin Monck was injured in the air raid on 29/11/40 and was transferred to the Cheshire Royal Infirmary where he died from his injuries 6/12/40.

    I have contacted CWGC and sent off a pack of information to ensure he is commemorated as a civilian casualty.
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2017
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  17. Atnomis

    Atnomis Junior Member


    Old post I know. Thought I'd give some details on Fm Dutton. An ex firefighter who is the history buff on Chester Fire Brigade/Cheshire. Sent me the following

    Simon. I have it on good authority, the location of the incident where he was killed was somewhere around where the former BHS loading bay is situated. Rear Frodsham St/Foregate St. Cedric Huxley was on the crew. The other two incidents that you mention were both fatalities. At Kitchen St I understand a lady was killed when the house received a hit . It is said the aircraft either locked onto the light from the firebox on a train crossing the Roodee viaduct or the intended target was possibly the gasworks. Barrowmore hospital was also hit during a raid

    I found Fm Duttons grave in the summer. Rememberance I laid a Wreath at his Grave, along with members of the Watch
    Some pictures Below







  18. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    thank you for your post
    I am currently awaiting CWGC to confirm Ivor as a civilian casualty

  19. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Just as well I chased them up
    still no further on

    Thank you for your e mail of 1st February 2018. With regard to your query, I regret that due to a technical error, your case was not processed correctly. As a result your application has now been passed on the our Commemorations team for their information and attention.

    Please be advised that these type of applications can take some time to reach completion, however please be assured you will be notified of the eventual outcome in due course.
  20. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    After carefully considering the evidence and documentation that you had submitted, I am pleased to confirm that The Commonwealth War Graves Commission will now be adding the details of Ivor Francis Charles Godwin-Monck to our Civilian War Dead Roll of Honour 1939-1945.

    I would like to thank you for your patience over the past six years whilst this case was investigated and for your continued interest in the commemoration of Ivor Godwin-Monck.

    Your submission had been delayed while we attempted to clarify his service within the RAF along with the circumstances surrounding his death. This had been complicated by the short space of time between his admission to Barrowmore Sanatorium, his discharge from the RAF, and his subsequent death.

    The documentary evidence that you had provided, however, allowed this case to progress to a successful conclusion. In particular, the hospital admissions register from Cheshire Archives helped to clarify the situation and, when combined with the other sources you provided, helped to confirm that he should be commemorated by the Commission.

    As such, I will now pass the details of Ivor Godwin-Monck to our records department who will make the necessary arrangements for his name to be included on our online Casualty Database. His name will also be added, in due course, to the bound Rolls of Honour that are held within Westminster Abbey and are the permanent commemoration for Second World War Commonwealth civilian casualties.

    I hope that this news proves welcoming and, again, thank you for your continued interest in the commemoration of Ivor Godwin-Monck.

    New CWGC Commemoration, Civilian ,Ivor Francis Charles Godwin-Monck 21st June 2018

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