It's Nigger Sir, it's gone!

Comparing the two gravestones, it looks as though the new one is simply using a minor variation of the script used on the old one i.e. no material change in script/font.

 

The way the west has solved this problem up to now is immigration.................

 

Not a minor variation to my eyes. One is Olde English or a variation thereof and the new is a full-blown Germanic Gothic. I can understand that the aficionados of Bacon, Lettuce and Mozzarella wish to make a political point but they should not and must not assume that my liking for medieval English is conditional upon me being a Germanist.

 

Interesting! It clearly confused me. Must be a mistake surely. If not a mistake then its very bad taste, not funny and should be pointed out to them and the new one removed. Possibly the stonemason can't tell his Olde English from his Germanic Gothic....in which case it's an 'honest mistake' and the stone should be removed anyway.

 

Or some twerp who has never seen anything except open sans 'designed' the stone on his laptop and just picked something from a drop down that looked cool.

 

Don't blame the Stonemason, the typeface is Engravers Old English Bold.

 

“Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it.”
George Orwell

Not one of us has an ancestor who would receive a passing grade when scrutinized through the lens of 21st century progressive. No matter how enlightened, we are very much products of our time. It is difficult to see where this re-writing of 'offensive history' will end and precisely what the motivation is. The examination of historical figures seems rather selective and devoid of context.

 

I am perplexed why you should be ashamed of something which occurred before you were born. It would be worthwhile to understand the context of those times when visible minorities were a very small part of the population and often a novelty for the white majority in western countries. My own mother celebrated her 90th birthday last week and given current events, I asked her when she first saw or met a black person. That occurred when she was 24 years old and only because she was travelling in the U.S.
It should also be remembered that the definition of 'racist' has changed profoundly in the past 25 years. There was a level of discourse then between groups of different ethnic backgrounds and colour which was mutually accepted if not said with malice. Social norms of 75 years ago are difficult to judge by today's standards.

 

Gibson was a classic 'flawed hero', but what, in your opinion, would have ruled out Cheshire as a modern commander?

Cheshire started out with a similar arrogance and insouciance, but even before the VC and the post-war philantropy, he was being spoken of in tones of near-reverence by officers and men alike.

As for Gibson's dog, his name was his name. I don't see how acknowledging that terms from the past had a different and more unsavory register than today is a problem. If there is to be another film, use it as it was and stick a note in the credits explaining why.

 

I really liked seeing the ones that remained on my travels tbh . I was standing before history

 

Did they give him a racist nickname by the standards of 2020 though or a contemporary one of the standards of the 1940’s ? And a standardized forces one perchance like taffy or
Paddy or jock, dusty , chalky, etc etc ?

 

Yes , I agree , but no ones trying to airbrush the fact that women were not allowed to vote or that homo acts were punishable with prison !

 

It was a long time ago in a time when people died every second in horrible ways killed by their fellow man . No person who rises to high rank or position in any way is “ the perfect hero “ by its very nature . If you want a perfect hero , you’ll have a long search . Judging people of the past by the standards of today is risible and futile . Never forget we will be judged by the standards of 2095. I often see this “ gammon “ epithet used . It’s been used on here . Ok let’s look at it . Today it’s acceptable. It is However a derogatory term designed to cause upset to people of a particular age, race and sex .
Suppose I have a cute pink pig called “ gammon “ . Fits - it’s acceptable today , he’s pink , produces gammon , when “ gammon “ is as frowned on as “ nigger “ is in 2095 and god forbid I’m heroically famous , will they be replacing poor old gammons grave with one that reads : “ a pink pig “ ?
Gibson was super flawed , he was elitist , he was class ridden , he was over ambitious , he married a welsh girl . I have not found one shred of evidence he was anti black in any way . I have evidence that the wartime RAF stepped quite heavily in terms that are strikingly modern in officers who were.

I also have numerous references to other historic dogs called : “ nigger “ and even photos of dogs graves of that name

 

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I think it hilarious that those who use the word 'snowflake' to disparage their political opponents have taken great offence when 'Gammon' is used against them in return.
Glass houses, stones etc.

 

I find it pathetic that supposedly educated adults think that name calling will somehow persuade other supposedly educated adults of the validity of their political views. If you, or anyone else, can convince others of the validity of your politics through logic and reasoning, then maybe others will listen.

If, on the other hand, the insults indicate your true feelings towards those who do not share your views, then you are going down a road that will ultimately lead to re-education camps, gulags and extermination camps. We have been down that road before and we know where it ends.

We must not fall into the trap of labelling and "othering" those that do not share our views as it only leads to hatred and division.

I am truly worried about the state of political discourse in the west, we have never been more polarised in my lifetime than we are now, and if we fail to behave sensibly, rationally and reasonably, we are in for some very dark times ahead.

 

Not the only dog's grave to be 'White-washed'- am I still allowed to say that ?

"Racist pet gravestone at Coombe Abbey park 'should have been removed sooner'"

Racist pet gravestone 'should have been removed sooner'

 

Hi all,

I see the UK has sunk to new lows:-

Dambusters' dog grave could move due to RAF Scampton asylum plan.

They are now planning to use Scampton as a Migrant Camp - if that wasn't bad enough, they are removing Nigger's grave so as not to offend the criminals they plan to house who have illegally entered Britain.

I wasn't aware that the RAF had already desecrated the beloved dogs memory in 2020 - from the BBC article I quote:

"In 2020, the original gravestone, displaying the racial slur, was replaced with a stone that told the story of the dog. At the time, the RAF said it did not want to give prominence to an offensive term that went against its ethos."

Shame on them and shame on those responsible for another insult inflicted on the people of Britain.

Cheers
Emps