Interpreting Dates in Army Lists

Discussion in 'General' started by Promenade, Jul 28, 2019.

  1. Promenade

    Promenade Junior Member

    Hello,

    Can any one help me interpret the following from a 1940 TA Army list concerning the dates.

    I believe the second date is the promotion date but what is the first date which appears against all of the TA officers in the Regiment - the best I can come up with is a mobilisation date - can anyone confirm this or provide an alternative explanation.

    Have searched on line but found no answer.

    Many thanks

    Promenade


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  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    It might be connected to - Emergency Powers (Defence) Act 1939 - Wikipedia

    The Act was passed in reaction to the Nazi–Soviet Pact of 23 August 1939 and provided the government with powers from 24 August 1939. It was originally intended to be in force for only one year,[2] and made general provision for prosecuting the war effort. In particular, it provided for the following

    TD
     
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  3. Promenade

    Promenade Junior Member

    Thanks TD will check this out - other interpretations still welcome!
     
  4. Promenade

    Promenade Junior Member

    TD - the date certainly fits and the reason for the act makes sense - but I cannot understand why the date is only against the TA officers if it was a generic act. Still I am new to all of this and am here to learn from those with far more knowledge than me!

    Promenade
     
  5. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Maybe makes the TA positions 'official' whereas regulars wouldn't need to be 'called up' or given 'official' start dates as they were - well - regulars

    I am guessing
    TD
     
  6. JITTER PARTY

    JITTER PARTY Active Member

    Surely it is just date of commisssion and date of mobilization. The TA was mobilized 24/08/39.
     
  7. Promenade

    Promenade Junior Member

    Appreciate all your help - in the wake of 'Jitter Party's' post I think I will go with my first guess - ie 24/8/39 is the mobilisation date and the other date is their seniority in rank.

    Thanks again to both contributors for their help and time.

    Promenade
     
  8. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    I'm sure your right. Second is definitely seniority. For instance from LG:

    The London Gazette, Issue 34599, Page 1140
    …th Feb. 1939.jth Bn. Wore. R.?2nd Lt. D. N. CRONIN tobe Lt. 2ist Dec. 1938.8th Bn. Wore. R.?Capt. H. Guiton {Capt.Res. of Off.) to be Maj. 26th Jan. 1939.Lt. R. G. Burlingham to be Capt. 26thJan. 1939.$th Bn…

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  9. Promenade

    Promenade Junior Member

    Cheers Tim - that seals it for me - Thank you for your post.

    Please consider this thread closed.
     
  10. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

    From The Quarterly Army List July 1940,

    “Reserve Officers re-employed during the existing emergency will take rank and precedence (with officers of the Regular Army) as though their rank, substantive or brevet, bore date 24th August 1939 (Army Order 184 of 1939) except in cases where the date of their rank, substantive or brevet, is subsequent to this date.

    Note. — Officers marked § are voluntarily in the Regular Army Reserve of Officers

    The ranks and dates shown throughout are those referring to Substantive Rank; where two dates are shown, the second is that of Army Rank”.

    Clear? :unsure:
     
  11. Promenade

    Promenade Junior Member

    As mud!!! :) And I thought WW1 rules and regs were complex!

    These are all TA officers (only some of which could have been on the reserve) - I am unsure whether this AO applies to the TA - but as I say I know little and am here to learn!

    Richard - I thank you - perhaps this thread has not yet run its course!
     
  12. Promenade

    Promenade Junior Member

    Just gone back to the Army List and can see this AO in action with the Regulars.

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