International Committee of the Red Cross WW2 POW Archives

Discussion in 'Prisoners of War' started by brispencer, Mar 26, 2009.

  1. brispencer

    brispencer Member

    For information.

    I have been tracing my fathers records as he was captured in the rearguard actions toward Dunkirk May 1940. I have had all sorts of help from the forum.

    I contacted the IRC about 6 weeks ago and received a letter this morning which has now confirmed his capture from german records so I now have actual date and place and also tells me he was originally sent to Stalag VIB then transferred to Stalag VIIIB.

    So, for anyone searching I would suggest you contact the IRC either through the website or at 19, avenue de la Paix, 1202 Geneva Switzerland.

    Be prepared for a wait but it could be worth it.

    regards

    Bri
     
  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Cheers for that Bri,

    One of my men was a POW at XXB captured at Dunkirk too.

    Do they past much info on to you or is it just confirmation? I have just wondered if the Germans took pictures of POW's for ID purposes.

    Cheers
    Andy
     
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  3. brispencer

    brispencer Member

    I received a letter giving name, dob, rank, service number (I knew these) date and place of capture, place aand date of detention and POW number. I didn't know exact date and place of capture (25/5/1940 Roubaix) but these tie in exactly with the route and fighting by his company. It also tells me he was in Stalag VIB and transferred to Stalag VIIIB on 18/6/1940. I knew about VIIIB but not VIB which I assume was a transit stop.

    Not much but nice details.

    No pictures but I do have the fairly standard one of him in a group outside one of the huts in VIIIB. I also have another of him immediately on his repatriation, needless to say, at that point, he was a mere shadow of the man I knew.

    PS anyone know where Stalag VIB was as there may have been several.
     
  4. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Thanks Bri,

    I think I'll do that (I like the point of capture info) I don't have any photos but I'd love to know what four of the men I'm looking at looked like.

    Cheers
    Andy
     
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    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

  6. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    Cheers for that Bri,

    One of my men was a POW at XXB captured at Dunkirk too.

    Do they past much info on to you or is it just confirmation? I have just wondered if the Germans took pictures of POW's for ID purposes.

    Cheers
    Andy
    Andy,

    I have a contact who was in Stalag 344 Lamsdorf who applied to the M.O.D. for his P.O.W. Records. When they came there was a photograph of him that had been taken when he arrived from Italy.

    When St.1VB was Liberated the prisoners broke into the Camp Office and as well as getting their own records they filled their pockets with anything they could find.
    Some years ago when the Association was active the Secretary,Lew Parsons,used to give a slide show of what photos they had"liberated"on the last morning of the Reunion. Very interesting.


    Brian
     
  7. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    Stalag VIB was located at Neu Versen.
     
  8. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Many Thanks again Bri,

    I just need to pull my thumb out and get stuck in now me thinks.

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  9. Andy,

    I have a contact who was in Stalag 344 Lamsdorf who applied to the M.O.D. for his P.O.W. Records. When they came there was a photograph of him that had been taken when he arrived from Italy.

    When St.1VB was Liberated the prisoners broke into the Camp Office and as well as getting their own records they filled their pockets with anything they could find.
    Some years ago when the Association was active the Secretary,Lew Parsons,used to give a slide show of what photos they had"liberated"on the last morning of the Reunion. Very interesting.


    Brian

    Brian

    Would be interested to hear how your contact applied to the MOD for his POW records, any pointers ?

    Chris
     
  10. 52nd Airborne

    52nd Airborne Green Jacket Brat

    Brian

    Would be interested to hear how your contact applied to the MOD for his POW records, any pointers ?

    Chris

    Contact the Veterans Agency.

    Tele:0800 1693458
    email: veterans.help@spva.gsi.gov.uk

    Veterans Agency
    Norcross
    Thornton Cleveleys
    Lancs
    FY5 3WP

    Make sure you can give the V.A. as much details as possible. Good Luck!
     
  11. Contact the Veterans Agency.

    Tele:0800 1693458
    email: veterans.help@spva.gsi.gov.uk

    Veterans Agency
    Norcross
    Thornton Cleveleys
    Lancs
    FY5 3WP

    Make sure you can give the V.A. as much details as possible. Good Luck!

    Thanks for the information 52nd Airborne, dont the V.A. just hold Service Records ? we already have these but I was interested in ADM199's comment about POW records and if these would give some additional information.

    Thanks
     
  12. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    I can also recommend CICR. I asked them about my great grandfather as I knew he was a PoW in WW1. It took 3-4 months for them to write back, but what they sent was invaluable for my research.

    EDIT: Also here is the link to the online request form
    ICRC Archives
     
  13. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    You could get the mans story in his own words by checking at Kew for a Liberation report in WO344.
     
  14. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the information 52nd Airborne, dont the V.A. just hold Service Records ? we already have these but I was interested in ADM199's comment about POW records and if these would give some additional information.

    Thanks

    Gnr W.T. Darby was in PG 54 Italy in August 1943 and St 18A as of May 1945.
     
  15. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    Contact the Veterans Agency.

    Tele:0800 1693458
    email: veterans.help@spva.gsi.gov.uk

    Veterans Agency
    Norcross
    Thornton Cleveleys
    Lancs
    FY5 3WP

    Make sure you can give the V.A. as much details as possible. Good Luck!


    The first line of the address should be Veterans Advice team. You should give what details you have on the Person. Explain who you are and give a Contact No.
    The records were in Glasgow when my friend applied for his,but after speaking to the V.A.T. today I was told you have to access the records through Norcross.
    Tel. 0800 169 22 77.

    Forever Change.

    Brian
     
  16. 52nd Airborne

    52nd Airborne Green Jacket Brat

    Thanks for the information 52nd Airborne, dont the V.A. just hold Service Records ? we already have these but I was interested in ADM199's comment about POW records and if these would give some additional information

    The V.A. (V.A.T. or whatever they call themselves this week!!!) hold all the German POW records that survived the war. Once I explained who I was and what I wanted the V.A. couldn't do enough to help me, I obtained a copy of my grandfathers POW records and I even struck lucky with a photo of him when he was processed at Stalag IVB.

    As Brian has already mentioned, the Liberated Prisoner of War Interrogation Questionnaire (WO344) may give you some answers.

    Good luck.
     
  17. Many thanks for the replies and suggestions, especially Brian who offered to look up the Liberation Reports.

    Firstly I must apologise for the some what erratic replies, I'm absolutely snowed under with work at the moment, so time to spend on this is rather short on the ground.

    We orginally applied for the Service Records back in late 2002, and after a wait finally received a couple of letters in April/May together with some basic Service Details.

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/%5BURL=http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g317/bonniesgang/Darby/IMG_0004.jpg%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g317/bonniesgang/Darby/th_IMG_0004.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/%5BURL=http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g317/bonniesgang/Darby/IMG_0004.jpg%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g317/bonniesgang/Darby/th_IMG_0004.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g317/bonniesgang/Darby/IMG_0004.jpg%5B/IMG%5D[​IMG] [​IMG]

    So now I am asking myself is it worth trying another "Subject Access Request" together with some of the additional information we have gained to see if they can find any other information ?

    We picked up a copies of the Battery War Diaries and the Liberation Report from the PRO last year, together with those of the other POW's in the same work camp, which made fascinating reading, especially about the help they all received from the local cook when they all left the camp in early April 1942 and made their way to the Russian lines. A further account can be found at 934L, Glashutten.

    Finally as an aside I've been trying to find a list of those who served with 107 Bty, 27 LAA Regt (RA) with out any luck, Brian has given some usefull pointers, but I am sure the powers that be must have had lists at some point, but where are they now?

    Thanks for all your suggestions and advice.

    Chris
     
  18. brispencer

    brispencer Member

    Just a note to advise that if you are looking for information on POW's it is possiblle to contact the International Red Cross in Geneva as they hold German archives.

    I was looking for information on my father and the IRC provided me with a record of his exact date and place of capture (German records) which was the final piece of the puzzle and ties in exactly with his Company War Diary record. They will take a long time to respond to a query but it can be worth it.
     
  19. brispencer

    brispencer Member

    Just a note to advise that if you are looking for information on POW's it is possiblle to contact the International Red Cross in Geneva as they hold German archives.

    I was looking for information on my father and the IRC provided me with a record of his exact date and place of capture (German records) which was the final piece of the puzzle and ties in exactly with his Company War Diary record. They will take a long time to respond to a query but it can be worth it.
     
  20. Welsh1960

    Welsh1960 Member

    I have just received further info from the red cross to give me a better idea of my fathers whereabouts after his capture in Tobruk on 6th June 1942. This may help others whos families were POWs. My dad was in the 1st Batallion Sherwood Foresters. Here is the info I have been sent
    POW in Italian hands 05/10/42
    Detained in CCN52 PM3100 Italy 27/12/42
    Detained in CCN66 PM3400 Italy 29/03/43
    POW in German hands arrived Stalag V111B 09/43
    Goodness knows where the Italian camps are!!!!
     

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