Info on WW2 Memorabilia-Captured Flag

Discussion in 'General' started by CP1212, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. CP1212

    CP1212 Junior Member

    Found your great forum as I was searching the net looking for ways to find info on a flag that has come into our possession.

    My wife's grandfather served in WWII. Her grandmother recently passed away and in cleaning out her belongings, we ran across this flag, along with several other pieces.

    It is a "captured" Nazi German flag approx. 6'x10'. It has approxmately 40-50 medals attached to it along with the signatures of all of the soldiers from his group. There are pictures along with it that show the soldiers with the flag. I don't know if the medals are from American troops or other.

    Really interested to find out where we can find a value (if any) for this piece as well as the other items. Any direction would be appreciated.

    If pictures would help, let me know, and I will take them and attach.

    Thanks so much,
    CP
     
  2. KriegsmarineFreak

    KriegsmarineFreak Senior Member

    Hey, welcome to the forum CP1212! Any ideal where the Nazi flag came from? Could you post a picture of the medals also? From your description of that flag I'd say you have a treasure. From what I've seen on EBay WW2 flags are going for hundreds of dollars, some even a thousand if they have signatures on them like yours and with the medals on them that'd increase the price a bit higher. I'm not much of a value expert but I'd say your flag would go for over a thousand dollars. I'd hold onto it, wow, that'd be quite the flag to have! Again welcome to the forum!
     
  3. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    Pictures, pictures, pictures!
     
  4. CP1212

    CP1212 Junior Member

    alright..I figured as much about the pics. If not tonight, tomorrow at the latest. Thanks for the replies. I will gather as much info as possible about who/what/when.
    From the initial responses, doesnt sound worthwhile to sell.
     
  5. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    I think you will get a lot of pleasure in researching this artifact.

    I have no idea about value but perhaps when we track down the unit etc. and you did not want to put it on the market it could go to the appropriate museum.

    I doubt I will be able to add to this thread but I will follow it with interest.

    I just love this stuff!
     
  6. CP1212

    CP1212 Junior Member

    tried to upload 4 pictures..we will see if this works. If it does, more to follow.
     

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  7. CP1212

    CP1212 Junior Member

    ok, hope these help.
    On discharge papers:
    Battles and Campaigns - Normandy GO 33 WD 45
    Ardennes Rhineland GO 40 WD 45

    The smaller flag 3'x8' w/medals appears to be the service men that he served with. We have several pictures of the group holding the flags up. All of the writing on the flag is their names/addresses, etc. Most are from the Southeast US, some from the Midwest
    The larger flag measures 4'x10' and had no decoration or medals

    Thanks,
    Chris
     

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  8. KriegsmarineFreak

    KriegsmarineFreak Senior Member

    From what I can see in the photos that's no ordinary Nazi flag! The medal that is shaped like a cross with the years 1914 and 1918 was given to those German soldiers who participated in the first world war. Other things that I see in the photos are various rare German WW2 medals I have not seen before although some of them I recognize. There's also insignia from uniforms which would be worn to specify what the soldier's trade was such as mechanic. There's also pendants that might have been used on maps or were for various decorations. I also see there are military bars that would have been on German uniforms indicating where they had served in. That's a treasure trove crammed full with German militaria! I have never seen such a valuable flag before. I am guessing all the German equipment that was pinned onto the Nazi flag was either captured from German soldiers or taken from them. Plus, there's the signatures that increase the flag's worth. Could you send a photo of the group holding the flags up (sorry to ask you to take more pictures)? I may be able to guess where they may have captured the flag but I think there's a very high chance it was captured in Nazi Germany sometime in 1945. Hope this information helps!
     
  9. CP1212

    CP1212 Junior Member

    here is one. sorry it is blurry. The actual pic is b/w about 3x5 clear.
    Cant clearly read the inscription on back, but maybe.. Sortheke Germany
    I am sure about the "orth", but the rest is a guess.

    Also has about 50 5x7 photos of Hitler is various poses/parades, etc...but they appear to be purchased as there are German writings on the back..attached an example.

    Also about 40-50 personal photos of concentration/extermination camps, aircraft crashes, etc..

    Thanks for your help,
    Chris
     

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  10. KriegsmarineFreak

    KriegsmarineFreak Senior Member

    The personal photos of the concentration camps and aircraft crashes would fetch a lot of money as well. There are not a lot of photos in those genre nowadays on the internet. I'd hate to ask you to take another picture but could you take one of the back of the photo where it says the name of the German city, please? I might be able to decipher the writing or I know a few people who could help me. Thanks! You got quite the collection, hang onto it! Wish I had a collection like that!
     
  11. CP1212

    CP1212 Junior Member

    Thanks Friek for the help. Here are some more personal photos. I will try and decipher the back of that other picture tomorrow. It wouldnt show up via the scanner.
     

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  12. KriegsmarineFreak

    KriegsmarineFreak Senior Member

    From the look of things the Allied Soldiers went right into the heart of Germany. The lion statue picture is most interesting. I've tried on Yahoo looking for pictures of lion statues in Germany but have had trouble since lion statues seem to be very common in Germany. I've found no statues that match the one in the photo. Looks like the city that was in was heavily bombed and it was quite close to a concentration camp. Hmm.......
     
  13. Owen

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  14. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    That SP gun on the transporter loks like a M40 GMC "Long Tom" but I don't know what that box-like super-sructure is on it.

    EDIT, If he went to Japan post-WW2 (see my post #15) I wonder if the Long Tom photo is also Post-WW2, ie on the way to Korea???
     
  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

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  16. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Can I say CP1212 that this looks like a significant lump of militaria/family history you've got there.
    I'd think long and hard before selling it as you may eventually find more value in it to your own family, or even to surviving veterans who's names are scrawled on it.

    What I would say is, though there are certainly insignia, ephemera and awards attached to the flag that have fiscal worth, trustworthy opinions on values of militaria are not really the area of expertise of any regular posters here. That would require more specialised attention from someone who really understands the market (and it's often a somewhat shady market, particularly for nazi stuff... tread very carefully, there are sharks.)

    But there's a not half bad record here of really helping people out with their researches. ;)

    The greatest mistake could be selling before you actually realise what you have.

    Cheers,
    Adam
     
  17. Kitty

    Kitty Very Senior Member

    CP, keep hold of this. It is totally unique. Your grandfather went to a lot of trouble to get this put together, so please don't sell it. Go to a credible auction house to get it valued and insured, then if you want to loan it to a museum for others to see it. but please don't sell.
     
  18. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    If anything, take it here, from that link I gave.





    Contact Us - 35th Infantry Division Association



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    will be held in St. Louis, MO
    September 27 to 30, 2007
    at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, St Louis Mo. Airport Hotel,
    (314) 291-6700
     
  19. Owen

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  20. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Chris,
    I think I can see a few Wound Badges on the flag too.
    Can we have some close ups of each one, we at least may be able to ID what they are.
     

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