Ian Kershaw - Hitler

Discussion in 'Books, Films, TV, Radio' started by Gage, May 12, 2008.

  1. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek

    Hi all.
    Has anybody read these two books. Could you please give me a short review or let me know if they are any good, please.
    Really itching to read a good book on the man.
    Thanks.
     

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  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Really itching to read a good book on the man.
    I'd say they were about the best to be found Gage.
    Alan Bullock's 'Hitler & Stalin : Parallel lives' is also well worth a shufti.

    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  3. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Kershaw's books are excellent and well worth a "shufti" as my esteemed colleague would say. As unbiased as they could be they are nonetheless informative and I didnt find them hard going.give em a bash Gage!
     
  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Foolishly I forgot to mention another Bullock work that should be on the required Hitler reading list - 'A Study in Tyranny'.
    Also Shirer's 'Rise & Fall of the third Reich', excellent stuff on the gang in general with much Hitler detail from one who was there.
     
  5. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    Hmmm.. There r tons of Hitler-related books in my local book stores, when I look on 'em I can't choose one, because all of 'em seem to like 'yellow press' with those names like 'Women against Hitler' or 'Stalin against Hitler: a poet against artist', 'Hitler: the last 10 days' etc.... Anyway, authors and writers still pay attention for this person that he, IMHO, not worth! :-/
     
  6. Hitler was the quintessential 'douche bag', however, any person responsible for the deaths of some 50 million people is definately worth further and continued study. Learning about the man does not equate with honoring and respect. In most people I suspect the more they learn, the more exponentially the opposite effect increases. Those who consider him an unworthy subject of study are simply shortchanging themselves and history. I think one should never be afraid to ask the questions simply because the answers might scare them.

    Anyway, buying a book about Hitler in the book store is usually rather entertaining as one dodges the stares and gasps of everyone in the immediate vicinity who automatically consider you some kind of ne-Nazi. :D

    -EB
     
  7. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    To learn about the Third Reich is to help ensure that regimes like it can never rise again.
     
  8. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    Hitler was the quintessential 'douche bag', however, any person responsible for the deaths of some 50 million people is definately worth further and continued study. Learning about the man does not equate with honoring and respect. In most people I suspect the more they learn, the more exponentially the opposite effect increases. Those who consider him an unworthy subject of study are simply shortchanging themselves and history. I think one should never be afraid to ask the questions simply because the answers might scare them.

    Anyway, buying a book about Hitler in the book store is usually rather entertaining as one dodges the stares and gasps of everyone in the immediate vicinity who automatically consider you some kind of ne-Nazi. :D



    Hmmm :) I found him worthy to learn, but not so much ;) as an amount of books about him :D

    When last time I was in nearest book store and searching for some good book about The Kursk Salient's battle I've heard one of store's manager calling by phone customers that ordered some rare books and telling 'em that books arrived, and in some moment he told very loud 'Mr..Someone, it is book store, your book "Gebbels - bloody romantic of nazism" is arrived'.
    As there were very quietly in book store the book name and its new owner can be heard around the store ;) It was very funny moment :)))
    Also imagine me buying there book called "Sex in Third Reich" :))) - interesting book but what a name :)))
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  10. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek

    Kershaw's books are excellent and well worth a "shufti" as my esteemed colleague would say. As unbiased as they could be they are nonetheless informative and I didnt find them hard going.give em a bash Gage!

    Thanks GH. Looking at them, I was a bit worried they would be hard going but I will save some pennies and invest.

    Foolishly I forgot to mention another Bullock work that should be on the required Hitler reading list - 'A Study in Tyranny'.
    Also Shirer's 'Rise & Fall of the third Reich', excellent stuff on the gang in general with much Hitler detail from one who was there.

    Thanks as ever VP. 'A study in Tyranny' and 'Rise and fall of the Third Reich' also need looking at, especially the latter.


    This book is also excellent, I'm in the last third or so.
     

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  11. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek

    What about 'Mein Kampf'? Any good or very long winded with a big bit of ego for good measure?
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    What about 'Mein Kampf'? Any good or very long winded with a big bit of ego for good measure?
    I reckon give it a miss mate, a claim can be made for it having some interest due to it's author... but it's basically a pretty turgid rant with a lot less insight into his mind than you might hope for.
     
  13. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Kershaw's books are possibly the best you can get for a detailed insight on Hitler. I have those and I've read them three times already, thick as they are. Go for it.
     
  14. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek

    I reckon give it a miss mate, a claim can be made for it having some interest due to it's author... but it's basically a pretty turgid rant with a lot less insight into his mind than you might hope for.

    Thanks VP, thought it would be hard work.
    Be interesting to see just how Hitler got so far, he must have been intelligent. And I know he had an eye for detail and logistics.
     
  15. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Hitler an eye for logistics? That's the first time I hear that one.
     
  16. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek

    Hitler an eye for logistics? That's the first time I hear that one.

    Maybe logistics is the wrong word. I meant in a political sense more than a military one.
     
  17. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Gage, he was mot definitely obsessed with detail and Generals have testified about his ability to bring up minutaie during meetings although it could be argued that this was a tactic designed to deflect people off the topic at hand. He was a gambler politically but when push came to shove he was horribly wrong over Poland and his rash declaration of war on the US must count as one of the worst blunders of the war. That and the invasion of Russia.
     
  18. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek

    Gage, he was mot definitely obsessed with detail and Generals have testified about his ability to bring up minutaie during meetings although it could be argued that this was a tactic designed to deflect people off the topic at hand. He was a gambler politically but when push came to shove he was horribly wrong over Poland and his rash declaration of war on the US must count as one of the worst blunders of the war. That and the invasion of Russia.

    Thanks GH. So, did Hitler get to lead a nation as big as Germany because he was a fantastic orator, the situation the German people felt post WW1 and very lucky? Or is that too simple?
    Don't want to turn this into a big debate, just really interested.
     
  19. Trincomalee

    Trincomalee Senior Member

    I think everyone should watch the first series of "Heimat" which follows Germany from 1919 - 1982
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    Film notes on German director Edgar Reitz's chronicle of German life over most of the 20th Century
     

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