Hitler was too far gone to take advantage of an opprtunity to create an alliance that may have had an effect. Hitler stated that "only the German people shall bear arms, not the Slavs, not the Czechs, not the Cossacks and not the Ukrainians!" Spidge there were over 200,000 Osttruppen by mid 1942 eventually rolled into the Wehrmacht. That's enough for a complete army. In addition to Osttruppen: There was an Arab unit Freies Arabien in N.Afrika The 683rd Infanrty regiment was French The 950th Grenadier regiment was Indian The 250th Infantry division was Spanish There were great numbers of Belgian, Danish, Dutch, Flemish, Finnish, Norwegian, Estonian, and Latvian rolled into the Waffen SS.
So poor Oberst wants us to believe that the Holocaust or the overall racial policy of Germany during WW2 has nothing to do with Hitler. There must be some different dimension where the poor chap is living obviously. Guess he really needs some history lessons as well. No, I didn't address your statements because it had nothing to due with my tactical or strategic response to Gage's thread. Like I said, start your own thread. Have you started a thread? I've never seen one started by Exxley.
No, I didn't address your statements because it had nothing to due with my tactical or strategic response to Gage's thread. Like I said, start your own thread. Have you started a thread? I've never seen one started by Exxley. Another clumsy and pathetic attempt by poor Oberst to recover from his whacking. Now he might tell the audience why he started the whining about my post then ? (or maybe he forgot that he was the one bitching over someone else post)
Hitler stated that "only the German people shall bear arms, not the Slavs, not the Czechs, not the Cossacks and not the Ukrainians!" Spidge there were over 200,000 Osttruppen by mid 1942 eventually rolled into the Wehrmacht. That's enough for a complete army. In addition to Osttruppen: There was an Arab unit Freies Arabien in N.Afrika The 683rd Infanrty regiment was French The 950th Grenadier regiment was Indian The 250th Infantry division was Spanish There were great numbers of Belgian, Danish, Dutch, Flemish, Finnish, Norwegian, Estonian, and Latvian rolled into the Waffen SS. I am aware of the data above however this was haphazard to a degree. They wrote "Cossacks" down on paper to overcome the rules. The was also 3 Indian brigades. My wording was meant as an entire country of peoples!
I am aware of the data above however this was haphazard to a degree. They wrote "Cossacks" down on paper to overcome the rules. The was also 3 Indian brigades. My wording was meant as an entire country of peoples! I would agree as well with Spidge (hence my first post) that the Nazis with a less radical Racial policy might have had a lot more recruits to join them in their fight against the Soviet Union.
i heard v1's didnt cost much in labour...partly cause they used jewish prisoners to make them, i dont think that technological advances would have made such a great difference, Germany had brought the two greatest industrial powers against her, as a war of attrition, Germany had to go down at some point, it did not have the fuel of the food to go on much longer, remember the famines right in may 1945? hitler made decisions during big moments of anger of histeria without thinking through the whole thing with his generals...thats pretty much where he screwed up mostly....and did i mention he was a narrow-minded right bastard (son of a bastard in fact) I dont know if u guys heard of Vlasov?? anyways he had the potential to raise a national army within conquered Russia, he was a big symbol for the Russians, and he went with the nazis since he did have national sentiments for his mother Russia, he didnt think it should belong in the hands of the communists, thus had hitler given Vlasov a free hand in raising a Russian army it could have created national uprisings in russia....too bad he was too narrow minded and extremist
What if Hitler had died from natural causes early in the war. Who would have taken over? Would it have made any difference?
They would have been better off with a second night of the Long knives to remove Himler et al done by the High command. Gone to a government similar to pre WWI Prussian nationalist.
The scary thing for me is that Germany could have won the war. With more thought and less inner politics who knows how far the Third Reich could have gone. Maybe it would have lasted a thousand years. I did see something about using U-boats to launch the V-2s at USA but it was too complicated and an unstable platform.
The scary thing for me is that Germany could have won the war. With more thought and less inner politics who knows how far the Third Reich could have gone. Maybe it would have lasted a thousand years. I did see something about using U-boats to launch the V-2s at USA but it was too complicated and an unstable platform. Well Gage, honestly, they werent able to invade and defeat Great Britain, so there isnt any way they might have threatened the USA. In fact, the Third Reich wouldnt have lasted a thousand years because by the end of 1945, its biggest cities would have been nuked.
So you don't think Germany could have won then? Not taking Britain (or really trying) before he went to the East, sealed his long term fate.
He should have learned from the first attempt at a world war. Germany does not do Two Front Wars very well :patriot[1]: :ukflag[1]: :ruflag[1]:
So you don't think Germany could have won then? The USA by themselves could have singlehandedly crushed Germany. Add to that a 2 front war and the whole thing looks just really nasty for Adolf and co (like Gott said).
The USA by themselves could have singlehandedly crushed Germany. Add to that a 2 front war and the whole thing looks just really nasty for Adolf and co (like Gott said). The Axis could have even controlled the Med and North Africa with a bit of luck. That would have made i just that "little" bit more difficult. No side door - No Back door!
The Axis could have even controlled the Med and North Africa with a bit of luck. That would have made i just that "little" bit more difficult. No side door - No Back door! Then a very tiny little bit (remember that most UK shippings went around the Cape). And with a huge amount of luck (or somehow the Axis hastily improved their minor ports in Libya, and somehow they managed to build enough merchant vessels to improve their less than stellar supply system across the Med). To sum it up, Adolf's and the OKW reluctancy to invest more resources in the MTO was definitively a very rational decision.
The USA by themselves could have singlehandedly crushed Germany. Add to that a 2 front war and the whole thing looks just really nasty for Adolf and co (like Gott said). However the question rises again, would they have bothered If Europe was fully subdued by Hitler and he was willing to partake in trade?. It seems almost certain that Japan would be beaten down but I'm not convinced that a costly invasion of Europe across enemy dominated oceans would have been worthwhile to the essentially Isolationist America.
However the question rises again, would they have bothered If Europe was fully subdued by Hitler and he was willing to partake in trade?. It seems almost certain that Japan would be beaten down but I'm not convinced that a costly invasion of Europe across enemy dominated oceans would have been worthwhile to the essentially Isolationist America. true indeed. I think the most likely scenario would have been, if necessary, a nuking of major german cities (especially if for some extravagant reason, the Germans were succesful in subduing the UK).
