...and separate from this we are to believe that Hess was also a double. It's been claimed before! I don't remember the title now, but there was a (in)famous book on that very subject. The positive outcome of which was Timewatch doing a rather excellent documentary on Hess which conclusively rebuked the "evidence" in the book. Lee
Interesting Forum! Hello, I'm Gerrard Williams co-author with Simon Dunstan of the book "Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler." I thought the forum might like to have a look at a sample before I dive in with specific replies. Grey Wolf Ch.1-5 To: WTID 45 Welsh too. And to Phylo Road King (Is that you Sid?) I'm back from my tea. You might like to look at Amazon.com for some early reviews - and yes some are from Journalist friends who've known me over 25 years - but others are not. Happy to argue the case with anyone who has an objective question, and will also post some of the research which led us to the conclusion if people would like to see it. Anyone who has read the thread on Axis History Forum will notice it is locked. I have asked for it to be unlocked. Look forward to engaging! Best Regards Gerrard. I have read the first chapters which you posted here. Based on that I have to say I am not really one for conspiracy theories, I would much rather read about the things that actually did happen based on valid stories from people who were actually there. Seems like you've heard these stories enough times that you actually started believing they were true? Just my point of view.
Okay, so Madalf got as far as Liverpool. But he had to wait fourty years before the Beatles managed to build a yellow submarine for him to sail away on...! What I like about conspiracy books is there's always someone gullible enough to pay good money for twaddle. I'm cooking one up right now using the same newly discovered charcoal barbecue that Hitler was thrown onto. I'm going to call it "Frying tonight - My part in Hitler's final grilling!" But if you can't wait, how about the boring truth. You'll find it tucked away in the book "The Death of Adolf Hitler - Unknown Documents from Soviet Archives" by Lev Bezymenski, published in 1968 by Joseph Ltd and originally published in German under the title Der Tod des Adolf Hitler. The book details the Soviet capture of the Reich bunker, finding Hitler's remains and the subsequent autopsy and findings - in the minutest scientific detail and analysis. Dry as bones and really for academics but it's complete with photographs. My summary of this book? 1945. Hitler. Dead. Result. Rest in Hell.
Liverpool? My Mum was from there and even after her ATS service never thought Hitler was a moptop. I love people who have such firm views, without reviewing the evidence presented. The other thing I like about forums is that no-one is willing to use their real name. It's such idiocy that keeps the truth from being investigated. But if you wish to be close-minded that's fine. Gerrard Williams
From Adams link to another forum , the author states that U880 and 518 survived ...sorry definitely sunk , they never appeared in South America.... did two complete crews disappear , almost 100 men without trace , never to be seen again or did they just decide to never mention Hitler or Herman or Bormann , what is the chances of that ? 518 and 880 were erroneously credited by the US navy. The brits thought different. (If you had read the book you would find the source of these comments was our RN. Found in the archives at kew. Gerrard williams
The other thing I like about forums is that no-one is willing to use their real name. It's such idiocy that keeps the truth from being investigated. But if you wish to be close-minded that's fine. Gerrard Williams Let's try again shall we? Regards Jakob Kjaersgaard
It's been claimed before! I don't remember the title now, but there was a (in)famous book on that very subject. The positive outcome of which was Timewatch doing a rather excellent documentary on Hess which conclusively rebuked the "evidence" in the book. Lee We don't suggest Hess had a double.
Liverpool? My Mum was from there and even after her ATS service never thought Hitler was a moptop. I love people who have such firm views, without reviewing the evidence presented. The other thing I like about forums is that no-one is willing to use their real name. It's such idiocy that keeps the truth from being investigated. But if you wish to be close-minded that's fine. Gerrard Williams Hi Gerrard, well I too am named Gerard and I have no problem with investigating the truth. I have a few points I would like to make in relation to Hitler and his possible "escape" from Berlin. Hitler the Man Since his elevation to power, Hitler always had an idea of his "destiny" and he never seemed to waver from it. In all his aspects of life he preferred the outlandish, the pomposity, the vanity. Looking at his Rallies, his rise to Power, his wars , the end of the Reich. At every stage he lived his life as if in the middle of a Wagnerian Opera. Not for him the logical avenue of escape. As Speer said, he was born to be "on the Stage when the curtain comes down". Now I'm sure you have oodles of proof to poo poo this theory, but whats not in doubt is that everything up to 1945 was consistent and yet this act of flight seems to be totally inconsistent with his character. Hitler the Commander We know that Hitler was in the Bunker at least up to the 28-29th April in Berlin when he ordered the arrest of Himmler following his "treachery", Now getting out of Berlin on that date was nearly impossible, even for a soldier, never mind a man battling Parkinsons, and who was clearly in no position to travel through a combat zone. Hans Baur Hitler appointed Hans Baur as his personal pilot since February 1933. He trusted him implicitly and Baur flew him everywhere. We know that Baur was captured by the Soviets trying to break out from Berlin with Martin Bormann, Artur Axmann and Ludwig Stumpfegger. Why didnt Baur fly him out? Why didnt any of his close staff, whom he worked day and night with, fly out with him? (Hitler was intensely loyal to his close circle) Some things just dont add up, but you've obviously answered all these questions in your book.....
And to Phylo Road King (Is that you Sid?) Wash your mouth out! I wasn't going to bother with this, some things are beneath comment in my opinion - but.... O yes, the AHF thread HAS been reopened! Axis History Forum • View topic - Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler
...never mind a man battling Parkinsons, and who was clearly in no position to travel through a combat zone. The Parkinsons too? I thought he was busy enough attending to 2 million Smirnovs and Ivanovs knocking at his door, never mind the Parkinsons!
The Parkinsons too? I thought he was busy enough attending to 2 million Smirnovs and Ivanovs knocking at his door, never mind the Parkinsons! well this was after he realised that it was too much for him and he had booked his tickets to Buenos Aires with "Kreigsmarine travel"
Liverpool? My Mum was from there and even after her ATS service never thought Hitler was a moptop. I love people who have such firm views, without reviewing the evidence presented. The other thing I like about forums is that no-one is willing to use their real name. It's such idiocy that keeps the truth from being investigated. But if you wish to be close-minded that's fine. Gerrard Williams Oops! Did I touch a raw nerve? I think you are looking to achieve some sort of recognition. Is it for the book - good viral PR on the cheap - or is it simply the buzz you get from seeing your name in small print? Whatever turns you on! As for me, I am not in need of either. But I do not hide. I have never hidden or been afraid to debate or confront those who like to re-engineer historicism as truth. Quite the contrary, but you did not know that, did you? You do not know what I or other members have read, reviewed, researched or experienced, professionally or privately. You know nothing of our academic backgrounds or that of many illustrious members of our families or associates. Yet you carelessly brand as 'idiocy' the comments of those who dare to be cynical or put up contrary evidence. So here's good words of advice from an idiot. Sarcasm mixed with personal insults is not a good beginning or a good defence of your position. In reality it is you who must put up. On the contrary you have advanced nothing more than a hypothysis re Hitler because it has not NOT been presented or supported by tested, irrefutable evidence of any kind. Without clear-cut factual evidence it is merely speculation. In your case, is that in the hope it makes tantalising reading for the gullible? If the theory is correct then publish it as a serious scientific paper on this site - not in a commercial book. Go on, I challenge you to present your strongest case; your irrefutable argument for Hitler's survival. Match it with hard evidence and corroborated statements from believable key witnesses, reputable historians and researchers and reliably authoritative sources, instead of speculation dressed as fact. I doubt you can or will. For that reason I and other members will no doubt continue to respond with the best of all British remedies - a good dose of dry humour.
Ok so the basic premise of this book has to be WHAT IF! old Adolf did not die in the Bunker, notice my words in capitals ........yes im sure you have and in that case nuff said end of thread.........
Liverpool? My Mum was from there and even after her ATS service never thought Hitler was a moptop. I love people who have such firm views, without reviewing the evidence presented. The other thing I like about forums is that no-one is willing to use their real name. It's such idiocy that keeps the truth from being investigated. But if you wish to be close-minded that's fine. Gerrard Williams I have an open mind my friend but its not so open than my brain falls out.
