help with ww2 service record

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by footymum, May 3, 2012.

  1. footymum

    footymum Member

    wasnt sure where to post this, sorry.
    On the ww2 service record there is a piece which says:-
    RAMC transfered to RAmc wef authy:-act 626/39 W.O.L 20 Misc 1008 (AGID) d7-4-40 +ME order 1328/4? +BM/02E/22/1442/A.d 13-3-42
    Can anyone decipher this please.??

    Also Cause of becoming Non-effective KR1940 Para 390 (xvi)

    Hopefully someone can decipher these. Have managed to interpret all the rest.
    Thanks
     
  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Moved to section of the forum called ''Service Records''.
    ;)
     
  3. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    with effect authority -act 626/ 39 (file/date) War office letter 20 (WOL) Miscellaneous 1008 (file reference) Adjutant Generals Instructions and Directives (AGID) the remainder are file references giving authority.




    soldier who has been found physically unfit by a medical board is discharged from Army service under King's Regulations, 1940, paragraph 390 (xvi) as "ceasing to fulfil Army physical requirements
     
  4. footymum

    footymum Member

    thankyou for your help.
     
  5. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Could you scan and post the relevant part of the record? might be a few clues in the context.
    What I can tell you is:
    Cause of becoming non-effective KR1940 (Kings Regulations, 1940) Para390 (paragraph 390) xvi (XVI or X6 - Missing ,possibly Prisoner of War).
    RAMC: Royal Army Medical Corps.
    wef: with effect from.
    Authy: authority.
    act 626/39 W.O.L 20 Misc 1008 (AGID) d7-4-40 +ME order 1328/4? +BM/02E/22/1442/A.d 13-3-42: this seems to be a combination of several authorisations for reasignment, Act626/39 (1939?) +ME order (Middle East?). d7-4-40 (date?) A.d 13-3-42 (another date?)

    Sorry, that's the best I can come up with.
    Some of these abbreviations almost seem to be a code only understood by clerks and Adjutants!

    Edit: Just seem Wills post, suspect his xvi reference seems more likely unless the soldier was a POW
     
  6. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    Act 626 1939:

    'object of the Bill is to authorise compulsory transfers from corps to corps, and the posting of soldiers to any unit of the corps. That is an obvious provision in time of war'.

    Hansard.


    Only understood by clerks and Adjutants and the poor overworked staff officer!


    Was the KRs 390 (xvi) before his posting to RAMC?
     
  7. footymum

    footymum Member

    Sorry Mike scanner is not cooperating this morning, will try again later.

    KR 1940 Para 390 (XVI) the last thing on the record. After RAMC.

    Inbetween the two pieces you have deciphered is
    2?d Ech ME X(11)List
    143/42 2GH
    76/43 Records RAMC "V" List

    Thanking you both for all your help.
     
  8. footymum

    footymum Member

    Y list the above is ment to be.
    Have worked out that 143/42 2GH was The 2nd General Hospital in the Middle East. Can anyone tell me anymore information on this hospital re:- where situated
     
  9. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    THE SECOND WORLD WAR


    Locations of British General Hospitals during WW2



    2 British General Hospital
    Dieppe 17/9/39 to 17/10/39 then to Offranville; Offranville 17/10/39 to 5/40 then to Le Mans; Le Mans 5/40 to 5/40 then to La Baule; La Baule 7/5/40 to 7/5/40 then to Redon; Redon 5/40 to 18/6/40 then to UK Leeds; Leeds 18/6/40 to 11/1/41 then overseas; El Tahag Camp (Egypt) 3/41 to 12/41 then to Quassassin; Quassassin 12/41 to 9/3/43 then to Tripoli; Tripoli 9/3/43 to 5/12/43 then to Caserta; Caserta 5/12/43 to 1/9/45 then disbanded.



    2 ? d Ech ME (2nd Echelon Middle East)



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    GHQ 2nd Echelon badge
     
  10. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    From Wills post I guess you would be looking for Quassassin (or El Quassassin).
    I have found it mentioned many times during the desert war as an airfield, major base etc as well as 2BGH but the only location I can find is 'just north of Ismailia'.
    El Quassassin doesen't show on Google maps but Ismailia is south of Port Fouad near the northern end of the Suez Canal so I would guess Quassassin would be somewhere between the two.
     
  11. footymum

    footymum Member

    Thankyou both for your help. It has helped build up more of a picture of his army life, rather than looking at a lot of numbers/letters and abbreviations.
     
  12. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    It is spelt Qassassin or Qassasin. I think it is just south of Port Said and west of Ismalia.

    text taken from Battleaxe Division by Ken Ford:-

    At Port Said the division disembarked and took up its new quarters at Qassasin, 20 miles from Ismalia and seventy from Cairo. Qassasin was in the middle of the desert, a huge canvas town with endless limits of tents as far as the eye could see. Qassasin was not far from Moascar on Lake Timsah.

    Lesley
     
  13. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

  14. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    That should be somewhere in the attached map, between Ismailia and Port Said, perhaps slightly west of a direct line between the two?
    The lake mentioned is the one just south of Ismailia.
    However you spell the name Google maps can't find it!
     

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  15. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    Hi Mike
    Just had another look at Al Qassasin and it looks like it has been re-named El Kasasin-you can see it on google maps. Definitely that area!
     
  16. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Nice one Lesley, it's at point A on these maps.

    Wills post appears to be a Luftwaffe recon photo of an establishment that seems to be on the northern shore of the lake, not quite the same location - strange.
     

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  17. footymum

    footymum Member

    thankyou so much everyone, im very grateful for all your help
     
  18. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    Mike
    It was bugging me-I looked at maplandia and it showed the change of name on there.
    Thanks for putting the map up-of course it is bound to be different nearly 70 years on! The satellite view of what was desert looks to be vast irrigation/water storage :unsure:?/gas/oil??

    Lesley
     
  19. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    The Luftwaffe photo above (13) when enlarged shows bottom left El Zagazig - bottom the Ismalia Canal (Kanal) and the Quassasin complex -barracks etc. El Zagazig can be googled.
     
  20. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Lesley, these detective jobs fascinate me - you learn so much about parts of WW2 history investigating little details like this. Certainly looks like the Nile Delta area has widened since '42.
     

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