Help Required. 104 Army Troops, Royal Engineers.

Discussion in 'Royal Engineers' started by Smudger Jnr, Jun 24, 2009.

  1. wee_tam

    wee_tam Member

    hi guys and gals.

    looking for more info on a relative of mine, peter kinnear, royal engineers. i believe he was awarded a DCM whilst with the 104th but i cant actually find any trace of him so far so it is hard to discern when this was won.

    this is what i have so far:

    lance sergeant peter hector kinnear 1866789 royal engineers
    born 1913
    died 1965
    served: 104th army troops coy BEF

    Bacchus (uncertain of where this is, only have the attached photo as a reference)

    he also served in Burma with the chindits and was captured and put into what i believe was changi POW camp. Other than this, i have no real details of any of his other military service, and was frustrated to not find a single reference to his military service anywhere on the internet.

    Any help would be much appreciated

    Yours aye
  2. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

  3. Lotus7

    Lotus7 Well-Known Member

    Hello and welcome to the forum Tam, wishing you well with your search
  4. wee_tam

    wee_tam Member

    ah, i have tried this, but they needed a death certificate of which i am not in possession of and no one else in the family has any clue to where it can be found :(
  5. wee_tam

    wee_tam Member

    Addendum: It wasnt Peter who was awarded the DCM, it was his brother Forbes, who was with the black watch.
  6. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    You can order copy death certificates from your local register office or download a form from the GRO-General Register Office. Last time I used them they cost around 9 quid or so
  7. Lotus7

    Lotus7 Well-Known Member

    Hi Tam, just a thought do you or the family know where his last known address, the reason I ask it could be a start to your search for the death certificate. The local birth deaths registry office could help, it may cost a few pounds if they hold a copy. A phone call is worth a try. Sorry if this is of no help just trying to broaden your search
  8. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    Found a death record on FreeBMD for a Peter H Kinnear age 52 in Lothingland in Suffolk. Is this him?

    If so you will need this info:
    Death: June Quarter, Volume 4B, Page 955. This info will enable you to order a copy death certificate.
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  9. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

  10. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Here's the units war diary covering December 1939 when he sent the card home :)

  11. wee_tam

    wee_tam Member

    Thats him, thank you so much :D

    awesome, thanks for that. i had assumed he was black watch as i have his cap badge form the war, and thats all i had to go on.

    How did you find out the date the card was sent? i only ask as this may prove helpful for further searches.

    One thing strikes me as odd though, if he was a l/sgt and the officer above describes the royal engineers as l/cpl, does this mean he was attached to the 104th from another regiment? His 2 brothers and brother in law, Forbes, Duncan and Tommy were 1 royal Scots, Seaforth highlanders and 2 royal scots respectively, so would a fair guess be he was attached from one of the scottish regiments? maybe it was HE who was black watch then and not Forbes?

    sorry for all the questions, i am new to genealogy/research and have no idea where to start with the little details i do have, but thankfully, you guys have come up with some hoofin' stuff and have got a few avemues to crack on with, the death cert. and service records are great starters for ten :D
  12. wee_tam

    wee_tam Member

    thank you, will get on this soonest :D
  13. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    It's a unit Christmas Card given to soldiers to send home. He would have posted it sometime during December 1939, the card has BEF on the address, this is British Expeditionary Force which were the troops that deployed to France during 1939/40.
  14. Clare Pettigrew

    Clare Pettigrew New Member

    Hi I have been finding out about my family tree and I came across my Grandad's release papers he was apart of 104 Army Troops from 1942-1946 he was from Uttoxeter and his name was Leslie Udale he had a best mate in the same troop named Darkie apparently cause he had darker skin then himself and moustache.
    I was hoping , drawing at straws if anybody knew of them or could give any information about anything.
    On the front of the book it as N8M. DU. zone written in red not sure what that means.
    It has lots of stamps on it from York to Manchester and Brighton for great coats His Rank was a Sapper Number 14340646. My dad recalls his dad telling him that he help build Wilhelmina Canal Bridge. this is all i know.
    This is all very new to me so thanks in advance for any help
    Clare :0)
  15. Lotus7

    Lotus7 Well-Known Member

    Hi and welcome to the forum Clare, good luck with your research.
    Hope someone will be along soon to help.


    PS do you or anyone in the family have his records?
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  16. Clare Pettigrew

    Clare Pettigrew New Member

    Hi David,
    I only have his release papers i probably could get his records online somewhere.

  17. Lotus7

    Lotus7 Well-Known Member

    Here is a link to obtain his records they cost £30 but are really worth it the info you can get once you have them is fantastic

    Good luck

  18. Ken Reid

    Ken Reid New Member

    Attached Files:

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  19. Historic Steve

    Historic Steve Researching 21 Army Group/BAOR post VE day

    Can confirm that 104 Army Troops Company RE recorded as at 22 Jan 46 were Garrison Headquarters Troops admin 1st Corps District and were stationed at the Boehme Factory, Lübbecke Strasse 20, Minden until 19 Jun 46
  20. Michael Brown

    Michael Brown New Member

    My Dad was a Sapper in 104 troop Royal Engineers, he joined up in 1943 at the age of 17, will do,what I can to find out from him as much as I can, I do know that he went over to Normandy on 17th June and was involved in the fighting going on around Caen, after this he went on through Belguim and Holland before ending up in Berlin. Dad is just coming up to his 92nd birthday but still has a good memory..

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