Help re cause and place of death ?

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by Joseph King, Jul 6, 2021.

  1. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

    I have been asked by a friend If I would kindly ask here regarding one of her ancestors

    The person in question is
    Trooper Joseph William Helliwell 4756847
    Royal Armoured Corps
    150th (10th Bn. The York and Lancaster Regt.) Regt.
    Died 12 February 1945 Age 24 years old

    Buried at Penistone Stottercliffe cemetery, Yorkshire

    We wondered if he was perhaps wounded and died on return to UK ? or maybe the result of an accident ?

    Would appreciate any help / advice regarding finding out what happened to him.
     
  2. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    Apply for a copy of his Death Certificate which will give the cause of death and place. This can be obtained from the General Register Office and costs about £11
     
  3. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Searching the CWGC Index it is possible to show the 150th (10th Bn. The York and Lancaster Regt.) Regt. was serving in Burma in February 1945, with a small number of dead, including this officer: Casualty Details | CWGC

    It might help researching what the unit was doing in 1944-1945; assuming this is possible online.
     
  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    I hope the headstone has been cleaned up.
    Also get them tp apply for his service records Get a copy of military service records you can use this in place of a death cert when applying.
    Download certificate

    Many reasons
    Died of wounds
    Killed in accident
    Died of Illness
    Took own life
    Natural causes

    as suggested you require the DC to confirm


    TROOPER JOSEPH WILLIAM HELLIWELL
    Service Number: 4756847
    Regiment & Unit/Ship
    Royal Armoured Corps

    150th (10th Bn. The York and Lancaster Regt.) Regt.

    Date of Death
    Died 12 February 1945

    Age 24 years old

    Buried or commemorated at
    PENISTONE (STOTTERCLIFFE) CEMETERY

    Sec. 4. Cons. Grave 215.

    United Kingdom


    • Country of ServiceUnited Kingdom
    • Additional InfoSon of Joseph and Edith Helliwell; husband of Joyce Helliwell, of Thurlstone.
    • Personal InscriptionIN LOVING MEMORY OF MY BELOVED HUSBAND. GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN

    Joseph William Helliwell (unknown-1945) - Find A...[​IMG]
     
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  5. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

    I will suggest that she does this and see what it throws up ? - thanks
     
  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Joseph W Helliwell
    Death Age: 24
    Birth Date: abt 1921
    Registration Date: Jan 1945
    [Feb 1945]
    [Mar 1945]
    Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
    Registration District: Newton
    Inferred County: Lancashire
    Volume: 8c
    Page: 244

    TD
     
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  7. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

    Thanks - I did the usual quick google search and saw the connection re India / Burma, definatly worthy of further research
     
  8. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

     
  9. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

    Will forward the photo to her tonight, many reasons re cause of death that I did not consider, the death cert has got to be a must, thank you
     
  10. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

    She has made no mention of Newton and Lancashire in our chats will ask if she knows anything, ? most of her family appear to be Yorkshire
     
  11. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Theres no entry in the casualty lists for him on Findmypast. Possible he died of illness ? As stated before the unit was in Burma. ?
    Illness/accident . On Barnsley War memorial

    Background into 150th here:-

    Trooper Marrison, 150th Regiment RAC

    Kyle
     
  12. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

    That is really Interesting regarding the movements of the unit - my friend needs that death certificate for a starting point
     
  13. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    The death cert is the starting point giving the reason for death followed by the service records to show his service timeline everything else will be speculation until you have them.Then you can look into the war diaries for his regiment.

    regards
    Clive
     
  15. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

  16. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

  17. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

    Will have a good chat with her suggesting best approach this morning
     
  18. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

    Will have a good chat with her suggesting best approach this morning
     
  19. Joseph King

    Joseph King Member

    Very good read re unit movements - will pass all this on to my friend
     
  20. ClankyPencil

    ClankyPencil Senior Member

    From experience (and also knowing the area), the Registration District of Newton, Lancashire for that time refers to an area that no longer exists by that name, which is just North East of Manchester City centre (roughly where Manchester City's Etihad Stadium is located).
    I think there were a couple of hospitals that fell under that District but one of them was Monsall Hospital (which closed in the 90's) which was known as a 'fever' or hospital for infectious diseases.

    Wait and see what the DC shows, but there's a fair chance he died whilst in hospital there.
     
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