Help Please - Interpretation of ICRC (Red Cross) Document - Italian POW camp terminology

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  1. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    I recently received my late father's (L/Cpl 3597824 Young 3rd Coldstream Guards) official Red Cross POW papers from Switzerland (after 13 months).

    The information all ties in with his May 1945 POW questionnaire that I found in the National Archives earlier this month.

    Can anyone explain the form of words ICRC use to describe the Italian POW camps he was in Jan 1942-Sept 1943 as I have not seen these forms of words previously?

    1. C.C. No 66 P.M. 3400

    I have not seen this camp referred to in these terms- more usually as PG 66 Capua what does C.C. & P.M. 3400 mean in tis context?

    Similar queries for these entries 2 as well -

    2. C.C. No 59 P.M. 3300

    3. C.C. No 59 P.M. 3300

    I know these refer to the camps at Servigliano (PG 59) and Maserata (PG53).

    I found the information from the Red Cross very helpful.

    Steve Y
     
  2. Varasc

    Varasc Senior Member

    Hi,

    I recently received my late father's (L/Cpl 3597824 Young 3rd Coldstream Guards) official Red Cross POW papers from Switzerland (after 13 months).

    The information all ties in with his May 1945 POW questionnaire that I found in the National Archives earlier this month.

    Can anyone explain the form of words ICRC use to describe the Italian POW camps he was in Jan 1942-Sept 1943 as I have not seen these forms of words previously?

    1. C.C. No 66 P.M. 3400

    I have not seen this camp referred to in these terms- more usually as PG 66 Capua what does C.C. & P.M. 3400 mean in tis context?

    Similar queries for these entries 2 as well -

    2. C.C. No 59 P.M. 3300

    3. C.C. No 59 P.M. 3300

    I know these refer to the camps at Servigliano (PG 59) and Maserata (PG53).

    I found the information from the Red Cross very helpful.

    Steve Y


    Hello Steve,

    For "CC" I may only suppose "Campo di concentramento" or concentration camp in English. I mean, there are and were many acronyms with these two letters, for instance still today cc means Carabinieri, our military police.
    "PM" was for Posta Militare, military post, meaning a particular military district under which the camp was placed. So, PM 3300, PM 3200 etc.

    In the end, it's not Maserata but Macerata.

    Kind regards,

    Marco
     
  3. andy007

    andy007 Senior Member

    Steve, I agree with Marco that CC stands for "Campo di concentramento". Though it is important to note that these camps weren't the same as the concentration camps operated by the Germans. In the Italian situation they were most definitely Prisoner of War camps.
     
  4. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Thanks Marco & Andy for your helpful comments.

    I did think that C.C. might mean Concentration Camp but have always been more familiar with the PG title.

    Steve Y
     
  5. Varasc

    Varasc Senior Member

    Hi,

    Thanks Marco & Andy for your helpful comments.

    I did think that C.C. might mean Concentration Camp but have always been more familiar with the PG title.

    Steve Y

    You're welcome,

    I'll keep an eye on whatever possible official definition of CC, of course meaning a camp for prisoners of war... :)

    The common abbreviation was PG.

    Marco
     
  6. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    I recently visited TNA and was lucky eniugh to find my late fathers POW questionnaire from May 1945. The info confirmed/corroboared the info I received from ICRC the following week - after 13 months wait.

    My father recorded he had been in a Stalag XVIIB work camp at Mistelbach, Austria working on railway maintenance - digging drains.

    Does anyone have a list of work camps atached to Stalag XVIIB?

    Does anyone know what does the prefix GW mean?

    I have seen note of other work camps with an E prefix - indicating English troops - ie Work Camp E711 of Stalag 8B Lamsdorf.

    Thanks

    Steve Y
     

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