Help needed to understand Service Record - 9th DLI

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  1. Jane Nix

    Jane Nix Jane

    Hi all, new here - and have picked up heaps of info already - so thanks!! I have just received my fathers service records and have managed to 'translate' a lot of the acronyms,but having no military knowledge at all, I'm struggling a bit and am hoping some of you lovely people can help me out?

    Firstly, would really love to know the 9th's movements in NWE from 3/1/45 - 1/5/45, my dad was only with them four months before getting shot (doh!), I'm sure he said he was wounded in the Netherlands - but would love more detail on exactly where he was and what they were doing (as with many, he'd never really talk about his experiences). I believe I can go check the war diaries at Kew, but if anyone has any info in the meantime, I'd be grateful. He was wounded 7/4/45.

    OK, so stuff I can't understand from the record itself (sorry it's a bit of a long list). I've put the bits I need help with in bold/italics and have included some of the other details for context:

    Great start, during training he went AWOL for 2 days and his award was 8 days CB.
    31/12/44 he was posted to Draft RXFMK,
    31/12/44 also posted 44 RHU (44th reinforcement holding unit?) TCS X4 List.
    7/4/45 Wounded to X/2, also written as X(II).
    21/4/46 Posting from 'Y' list to 4HBN possibly holding battalion?
    29/1/46 Posted to 93 Polish Repatriation Ctr. This was in the UK, any ideas where this was, or where I might get more details?
    10/3/46 Detrained at Villach, I CRO (or CRU terrible handwriting) GTD MED ALLCE
    29/8/46 Posted to 370 PW Camp. Again, any help with where this was located and where I can get more detail would be great.
    29/8/46 Adm 20 Garr Gd Room under c/a on to X3 list
    18/9/46 Released to 5 Transit Camp X4a list, here and what would this be?
    1947 - Naughty tinker again, 21 days detention under Sect 40AA for 'being in possession of property belong to an SEP

    Feb 1947 he was sick and admitted to 154 BGH. I can only find references up to 153 BGH. BGH I believe is a British Gen, Hospital. Any ideas where 154 BGH was or where I can check?

    Aaand finally! Apparently he had a temporary promotion to U/L/Cp & P/L/Cpl. Any ideas??

    Thanks for reading my ramble. Any help or pointers in the right direction anyone can give would be greatly appreciated. Look forward to hearing from some of you.

    Jane

     
  2. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hi Jane -

    " ...

    Great start, during training he went AWOL for 2 days and his award was 8 days CB. Confined to barracks
    31/12/44 he was posted to Draft RXFMK, [See link for explanation, code in itself is meaningless http://www.ww2talk.com/index.php?threads/draft-recognition-codes.50973/]
    31/12/44 also posted 44 RHU (44th reinforcement holding unit?) [ 44 Unit | The National Archives ] TCS X4 List. [See X lists (Service Records) ]
    7/4/45 Wounded to X/2, also written as X(II). [Ditto]
    21/4/46 Posting from 'Y' list to 4HBN possibly holding battalion? correct
    29/1/46 Posted to 93 Polish Repatriation Ctr. This was in the UK, any ideas where this was, or where I might get more details?
    10/3/46 Detrained at Villach, I CRO (or CRU terrible handwriting) GTD MED ALLCE [CRU - Corps Reinforcement Unit; the rest is possibly Granted ?Medical Allowance Edit - more likely Granted Mediterranean (Theatre) Allowance - Meaning of abbreviation in UK army records: entl to Med Allce ]
    29/8/46 Posted to 370 PW Camp. Again, any help with where this was located and where I can get more detail would be great. [Looks like Italy; wouldn't imagine there'll be mention of your father specifically in the linked document - Prisoner of War Camps: 370 Camp | The National Archives ]
    29/8/46 Adm 20 Garr Gd Room under c/a on to X3 list [Might be Admitted 20 Garrison Guard room under ?close arrest....; again see X List link] [This link seems to end in June '46, might be a later file, but again location denotes Italy - Garrison Companies: 20 Grn. Guard Room | The National Archives ]
    18/9/46 Released to 5 Transit Camp X4a list, here and what would this be? [Again the location seems to be Italy, file description does not cover correct month - Transit Camps: 5 Camp | The National Archives ]
    1947 - Naughty tinker again, 21 days detention under Sect 40AA for 'being in possession of property belong to an SEP

    Feb 1947 he was sick and admitted to 154 BGH. I can only find references up to 153 BGH. BGH I believe is a British Gen, Hospital. Any ideas where 154 BGH was or where I can check? [ Try Scarlett Finders - Hospitals WW2 - Scarlet Finders ]

    Aaand finally! Apparently he had a temporary promotion to U/L/Cp & P/L/Cpl. Any ideas?? [Unpaid/Lance-Corporal & Paid Lance-Corporal; think of Unpaid as a probationary period - if he did well he kept the rank and got paid for it too.]

    ..."

    A little bit more searching in TNA might bring up more relevant files than I can at this moment
    The National Archives | Discovery Advanced Search Form
     
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  3. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

    Hi Jane,

    I think you'll find that the folks on this forum will find out far more for you if you post the actual documents.

    The 154th General Hospital was an American hospital based in Swindon. WW2 Military Hospitals | WW2 US Medical Research Centre

    U/L/Cp & P/L/Cpl are Unpaid and paid Lance Corporal. BBC - WW2 People's War - War Stories of an Acting Unpaid Lance Corporal

    C/a is Close Arrest.

    SEP is Surrendered Enemy Personnel. Surrendered Enemy Personnel - Wikipedia

    CB is Confined to Barracks.

    Regards,

    Dave
     
  4. Jane Nix

    Jane Nix Jane

    Thanks dbf, that's great - makes a bit more sense now x
     
  5. Jane Nix

    Jane Nix Jane

    Thanks Dave, having probs with my scanner at the mo but will try to upload when I can x
     
  6. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

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  7. Jane Nix

    Jane Nix Jane

    Thanks Mr Jinks, that's great info. My Dad was Horace C Lucas, No: 14760274. This info is really interesting as we were always under the impression (either told wrongly or misunderstood) that he was wounded in the Netherlands, where this clearly puts him in Germany. The info mentions the different Companies of the 9th, is there any way of knowing which company a soldier belonged to if its not on the record?

    Thanks
    Jane
     
  8. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Hi Jane,

    The Company is never on the record and you would be very lucky to find it, That said this is your lucky day . I checked with the former member who runs the site I linked to and he confirmed you had not been in contact to ask any questions regarding your father? I took the liberty of asking the questions for you;- Reply below
    additional info added 16;28hrs

    Kyle
     
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  9. Jane Nix

    Jane Nix Jane

    Thank you so much Kyle, that is awesome!! I'll get in touch with the former member on the other site, if he has nothing else regarding my dad, at least I can give him some photos etc for the site if he wants them. We do know Dad got shot in the left shoulder approx. 1 inch above the heart by a sniper. In the front, out the back and blew his shoulder blade apart. I asked him what happened and all he would ever say was "I guess I just didn't duck down far enough!".

    Next stop, the war diaries and the other stuff at the Archives, I feel a road trip to Kew is on the horizon.....

    Thanks again, your time and help is really appreciated.

    Jane x
     
  10. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

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  11. Jane Nix

    Jane Nix Jane

    Aw thanks Lesley, I'm on the Cheshire/ Merseyside border so that may be an option! My brother is a bit closer in Birmingham and he does go to Kew a lot (he's a military aviation writer), so I'll give him all the info I have so far - it's gonna be part of his Xmas present - and see what he thinks is do-able in a day there and maybe go together in the New Year. If he thinks it's too much, will defo get in touch with these guys.

    Thanks so much

    Jane x
     
  12. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    I`m sure he will be delighted to receive your fathers photographs and anything else you can tell him, I`m sure he will have copies of the original sources where he got the information from perhaps he can send you copies?

    Kyle
     
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  13. Korps Steiner

    Korps Steiner Senior Member

    Hi Jane ,
    I work as a researcher at the DLI Archive at Sevenhills , Spennymoor , Co Durham where we have all the War Diaries / Histories / books etc on the DLI including of course 9 DLI . We would be very happy tp help if you would like to contact me i can facilitate that . We would of course be very interested in any info / photos you may have regarding your Dad .

    Research, study and education - Durham County Council

    Best regards

    Paul
     
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  14. Jane Nix

    Jane Nix Jane

    Hi Paul

    That's great! Do you have a work email or should I just drop you a line through the link for your attention?

    Jane
     
  15. Korps Steiner

    Korps Steiner Senior Member

    Hi Jane ,

    I,ve sent you a pm ,

    regards

    Paul
     
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