Hello all, need a bit of help

Its the electoral register I believe and

R = Residence qualification
Rw = Resident qualification

O = qualified by occupation (qualified to vote I guess)
Dw = qualified through husbands occupation

TD

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For reference - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interact...BJs=true#?imageId=46593_1831115184_0648-00006

 

Me to, I’m going to have to ring them again now!

 

Geoff try

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/61227/46593_1831115184_0648-00787?pid=3121832&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=bDz12137&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=SwanseaElectoral&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&MS_AdvCB=1&gsln=rogers&gsln_x=1&msrdy=1934&msrdy_x=1&MSAV=2&uidh=5nr&pcat=35&fh=41&h=3121832&recoff=&ml_rpos=42&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=bDz12137&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true#?imageId=46593_1831115184_0648-00786

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/61227/46593_1831115184_0648-00787?pid=3121832&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=bDz12137&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=SwanseaElectoral&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&MS_AdvCB=1&gsln=rogers&gsln_x=1&msrdy=1934&msrdy_x=1&MSAV=2&uidh=5nr&pcat=35&fh=41&h=3121832&recoff=&ml_rpos=42&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=bDz12137&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true#?imageId=46593_1831115184_0648-00787

TD


If you look further down th second page then there is also a Frederick Rogers (at No 29), at No 35 there is a Violet Rogers - could be relatives???

 

Rose Hannah Dukes (born 2 Jan 1907, died 1990 in Walsall):


And her parents.

Thomas (on the right):

and Fanny (nee Walker):

 

Here it is!!! ......... there two marriages on the copy

 

Here it is......

 

Amazing thank you so much, I’ve just put the wedding cert up for you

Geoff

 

I need time to digest all this!

Meanwhile, here are the Dukes family

Marriages Dec 1930
Dukes Rose H Williams Swansea 11a 1887
Williams William T Dukes Swansea 11a 1887

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
30 Parker Street, Walsall, Staffordshire
NAME DOB OCCUPATION
Fanny Dukes 24 Apr 1865 Unpaid Domestic Duties (widow)
Alfred Dukes 06 Oct 1900 Colliery Rock Ripper
Thomas Williams 20 Jun 1905 Locomotive Fireman
Rosehannah Williams 02 Jan 1907 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Derek Williams 23 Jul 1931 At School
Rex Williams 11 Jun 1935 Under School Age
Madeleene (Madeliene) Bennett (Williams) 11 Jul 1939 Under School Age

Thomas Dukes had died in 1936:

 

Amazing Harkness, amazing! I’m trying to get my head around it as well, my Nan (Betsy wouldn’t have got a copy of a previous marriage certificate and changed it if she had actually married William George Rogers, she would have just got the correct one and given William wasn’t allowed to see his son Glyn sometime in the latter part of the 1930’s and left Swansea he was given a good reason to go as he wasn’t married to Betsy, but where the heck is he!! As I’d said previously my always Nan spoke well of William but he was out there somewhere and that could mean my father had half brothers and sisters he never knew!........ Excellent stuff - thank you again - Geoff

 

And what’s that picture that looks like a wedding picture of Betsy and William Rogers, it has to be my father’s dad, they look too much alike for it not to be plus Betsy gave them picture to my dad or at least they were left to him! I’ll put a picture up of my father as a young man in a bit.

 

My father Glyn Rogers

 

Well Geoff - looks as though you still have a lot of sorting out to do

The photos where Betsy Dukes is 'marked' the 2 people look different to me, the weddingg group Betsy looks a more 'solid' women than the one just with William. And that suit of his the trousers are way to small and the jacket is made to fit an Arnold Schwarz.......er, if the 2 pics were taken the same day then the suits or at least the jackets have shrunk or grown.


You might need some software that identifies facial features to sort out the same people in different photos
- phew, its been an interesting thread.
If you find out that William Osborne Stacey is involved then he was a bit of a naughty boy, and could explain a few things

TD

 

Well, the Rogers family have certainly set us a challenge. I've rarely come across a case with so many obstacles, red herrings and dead ends. The Dukes are almost boring by comparison!

I won't spoil it for you, Geoff, now that you are a member of Ancestry, but here's a quick sample of what awaits you. Rifleman 8206 Joseph Dukes, Royal Irish Rifles (Betsy's brother) - twice wounded - and a bit of a rascal:

 

Flipping heck!!! I'll end up in the archives as a divorced entry when my wife files for it at some point for lack of attention!! Lol

 

Hi TD,

Just reading back over things and then group wedding picture where there are marks wasn’t done by me, they were done by someone and they wrote the comments on the back ‘the marks are my brother and little sister’ but I don’t know who wrote that. William George Rogers is the one next to Betsy holding the flowers doing the pose!

 

I was just looking at Ancestry.co.uk as I’m a member now and I’m doing the family tree but the Dukes side seems difficult to me and all you guys seem to think it’s easy and that’s after you’ve told me who they were - Lol, think it will take me sometime to work the software and my own brain out!

Geoff

 

Geoff - if you need help with Ancestry just ask, probably best via a conversation between us, its an option you can choose to use via your profile, or I can start one off between us, although I have to admit you have one of the most complex/difficult trees I have seen to date, having said that if you mamage to sort this out then you will have gained an enormous amount of experience.

TD

 

I appreciate all the help I've had from everyone, you've all been fantastic, thank you so much. I am up for the challenge though as for me it would be the last thing I could do for my dad given that he just passed away in December gone. He never knew what happened to his dad and it effected him all his life. I'm good on a PC just not so good on genealogy etc. I'm going to try and consolidate the information I have now and then start to try and unravel what happened to William George Rogers, I will need help, I think that must be obvious now so thank you for the offer which I'll take you up on once I've got a hold on what I have now if that's ok with you.

Thanks again Geoff

 

Genealogy is always one step, two steps back. One answer, leads to 5 new questions.

So for the moment all we know for definite is Glyn's father William George Rogers wasn't married to Betsy and his father was was a sail maker/rigger.

The age of 22 years wasn't altered on the 1919 Marriage Cert, but you can't assume William Rogers was born the same year as William Stanley. So you don't know your William's age/year of birth.

When the marriage cert was altered it was decided to leave the grooms fathers first name of Thomas unchanged. Wm. Roger's father may well have been called Thomas, but again, don't assume this.

I'd be searching the 1901 & 1911 Census, leaving forename blank, surname Rogers.

Further down the page enter William George for child's forenames. And in the occupation field for Mr. Rogers Snr. enter sail maker and then try using rigger.

If that turns up nothing, you could be stuck going any further. I don't hold with it due to privacy issues, but you might have to consider DNA testing to see if your results match others on Ancestry.

Ancestry are fighting legal cases in the U.S. trying to prevent law enforcement accessing their DNA database.

If it weren't for this and the whole issue about data protection, I'd have my DNA tested in a heartbeat. Not that I've anything criminal to hide, but anybody out there that shares the same DNA might have done!

Best of luck Geoff. Will give you peace now to organise your files for everyone and get your head round all this.

 

I know I said I'd leave this for now, but got curious about the car insurance doc.

Looking closer it was only for a two week period for a hire purchase. London insurance firm, but date stamped in Coventry 7/9/36, the year Glyn left London for Wales.

So William unlikely owned the car, but the 'O' of the car registration plate indicates it was a Birmingham car.