Handwritten Codes on Casualty Records

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  1. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

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    Just a general question, the codes handwritten in the copy page above - does anyone have a complete set or know where there is an index to them - in other posts I've seen numbers in the 600 + range.

    I assume its a code to the type of injury they received or something like that


    Does the information associated with the database on FMP provide any further details??

    TD
     
  2. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    Possibly relating to the incident report where the injuries occured
     
  3. klambie

    klambie Senior Member

    The reference to the original casualty list on which they appeared?
     
  4. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    No that appears in the right hand column under "Previous List No"
     
  5. dbf

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  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Hmmmmm - good bedtime reading that - might leave until tonight

    Thanks dbf

    TD
     
  7. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    This is an explanation on FMP but not sure that it relates to the 3 figure number you are referring to. The top one on your example (Garbett), is only on one list that I can find.

    "You may have annotations written next to your ancestor’s name. The letter ‘L’ or ‘CL’ and a number or a number on its own refers to another casualty list. This is likely to be when someone who was missing has now been reported as a prisoner or someone who was wounded reported now as having died. The first number in these references will relate to the Casualty List number, found at the start of each daily casualty list. If there is a second number to this code (example: CL 1015/12), this will be the specific page that the previous or subsequent entry can be found. Use the previous/next buttons to move through the documents to view other list numbers."
     
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  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Thanks Tony

    Another example rec'd
    Casualty list (1).jpg

    TD
     
  9. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    The first Casualty List that these handwritten numbers appear in is in the second batch, WO417/12, covering lists 201 – 226. They do not appear in the first batch, WO417/11, covering lists 1 – 200.

    Perhaps the attached gives a clue. On the rhs there is a note ‘Published in list No. x’. In the case of Goodchild he doesn't appear in List 10 nor do Luke and Payton appear in list No.5 so it must relate to some other listing.
    Casualty list (1).jpg
     
  10. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    As an aside - List No 1.
    Casualty List 1a.jpg Casualty List 1b.jpg Casualty List 1c.jpg
     
  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Again as an aside - I never knew:

    1. There was a 'Stevedore Battalion' in the Royal Engineers
    2. Militiaman was a term used in WW2 (Essex Regt R L C Thredder)


    If you use Gilliver as an example it states he was shown on Casualty List 200 and yet he has a handwritten 6 alongside his name so they can't be casualty list numbers - can they?? - especially as the page is headed Casualty List 202

    TD
     
  12. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    I wonder whether these pencil annotations might refer to Red Cross lists providing information about POWs. They cannot refer to Unit notifications as the same number often refers to men from a variety of different units. I don't recall ever seeing them on lists of men first posted as "Missing" but only when this was being updated to show " Now a POW" or "KIA/Died of Wounds" - the sort of information that was being provided through Red Cross channels of communication
     
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  13. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Could it refer to lists sent to the Press for publication?
    Tim
     
  14. Alex1975uk

    Alex1975uk Well-Known Member

    Did anyone come up with a definitive answer in the end ?
     
  15. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Afraid not, still intrigues me, there must be an answer out there somewhere.
     
  16. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Member

    Just something else to ponder. I am transcribing some of these list and and have come across a few where the number I came across number has been struck out and N.B.C. has been handwritten like the image attached. What does N.B.C. refer to - non-battle casualty?
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    Note I think the N.P.C. may just be the pen...I've seen a number with N.B.C. but no others yet with N.P.C.
     
  17. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    During your search - are the NBC's generally Pioneer Corps or are they from other Corps/Regiments - just thinking along the lines of 'non' front line troops ??

    TD
     
  18. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Member

    TD,

    No, not just non-combat arms - but the N.B.C. is pretty unusual:

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  19. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Member

    Based on this pretty sure N.B.C. is 'Not a Battle Casualty'. What does the M.C. refer to? It is often seen next to corrections - 'M.C. Amended', 'Deleted in M.C.' etc

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  20. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Member

    ome other entries to give weight to the idea these refer to press releases. Every now and again the numbers are pre-fixed with a 'P' i.e. P598. And secondly there are sometimes hand written entries referring to press releases or not published - these always seem to have the number struck through in red as above. In the cases below these are to be corrections of regiments.
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    The entry for Pte. Marrion from 1334/17 (although this appears to be 'a correction to a correction' and not published):

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