Gunner 1445607 William N LLEWELLIN. 4/2 Maritime Regiment, Royal Artillery (RA)????

Discussion in 'Non-Commemorated War Dead' started by Neil Clark, May 14, 2010.

  1. Neil Clark

    Neil Clark Junior Member

    This is an unusual case not strictly a Non-Com but a GLARING and unbelievably incorrect database entry. My mate Dave Hughes (whom I hugely respect as a real WW2 expert) thinks that the CWGC wrongly record him as a merchant navy seaman (on the Tower Hill Memorial) when in fact he was probably a soldier serving in the flipping ARMY!

    To me it seems quite likely that the authorities have cocked up here and recorded him as a merchant marine sailor in error! His name appears on Folkestone's civic war memorial which is how David came to know of the (potential) problem.

    Any help or advice gratefuly received.

    Neil

    FOLKESTONE WAR MEMORIAL
    St. Mary and St. Eanswythe at Folkestone

    Gunner 1445607 William N LLEWELLIN. 4/2 Maritime Regiment, Royal Artillery (RA). Died at Sea 7 December 1942. Born last qtr 1903 at Toxteth Park, Liverpool. Resided Liverpool.

    Not commemorated by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission as being a soldier, but is possibly the casualty who resided at 22 Ullswater Street, Liverpool 5, and recorded by the CWGC as follows:-

    LLEWELLIN, WILLIAM NORMAN. Printer.
    Merchant Navy, S.S. Ceramic (Southampton).
    Died 7 December 1942. Aged 39.
    Commemorated on the Tower Hill Memorial, London. Panel 26.

    * Should be on the Brookwood Memorial instead?

    The General Registry Office Second World War deaths, (1942, Volume 14, page 291) record William as Gunner, 1445607, William N. Llewellyn of the Royal Artillery, as opposed to the surname being spelt Llewellyn.

    Purely supposition on the part of the transcriber of these brief commemorations, but it may well be the case that William was a victim of the sinking of the S.S. Ceramic, and was one of the army Defensively Equipped Merchant Ships (DEMS) gunners on board who were lost, as opposed to having been a member of the Merchant Navy. Again only speculation, but the transcribers researches would seem to indicate that William was in fact serving as a member of the 4/2 Maritime Regiment, Royal Artillery at the time of his death. If William was in fact a soldier, it would mean that he should have been officially commemorated on the Brookwood Memorial, Surrey, as opposed to on the Tower Hill Memorial, London, but at least unlike thousands of other commonwealth victims of both world wars, he is at least officially commemorated.

    S.S. Ceramic with a gross tonnage of 18,481 tons was built and delivered by Harland and Wolff Ltd of Belfast in 1913, for her then owners White Star Line Ltd. On a couple of occasions during the Great War, the ship escaped being torpedoed, once in the Mediterranean in 1916, and the second time in 1917, in the English Channel. On the 23 November 1942, S.S. Ceramic commanded by 67 year old Captain Herbert C. Elford from Norwich, Norfolk, cleared the Mersey River at Liverpool, and set off for St, Helena, Durban, and Sydney. She had on board, 378 passengers, which included 12 children, and 244 Naval, Military, and Nursing personnel, her crew numbering 278, which included 33 Australian seamen. In the ships holds were stowed 12,362 tons of general cargo and government stores. On 7 December 1942, when she was to the west of the Azores the S.S. Ceramic was sighted and then stalked, by the German IXC type uboat U-515, which was commanded by 33 year old Kapitänleutnant Werner Henke. At approximately 2000 hours Kapitänleutnant Henke struck fired one torpedo, and several minutes after the first explosion, two more hits were made in the engine room of the S.S. Ceramic. Despite being hit by the three torpedoes, the ship remained afloat until just before midnight, when two more torpedoes were fired at her which broke the stricken ship in two, and in another 10 seconds she slipped beneath the waves. At about noon the day after the sinking, the U-515 returned to the scene and surfaced close to a group of survivors, who thought that rescue was at hand, but which was sadly not the case. Two German sailors threw a line to one of the survivors, who was Sapper Eric Monday of the Royal Engineers; he was hauled aboard the U-515 to become a Prisoner of War and to be interrogated. U-Boat Command had ordered Werner Henke to return to the scene of the sinking, to try and pick up the ship's Captain to ascertain the destination of the ship. Ultimately Eric Monday was destined to be the sole survivor from the S.S. Ceramic. At 1510hours on 9 April 1944, the U-515 was sunk in the mid-Atlantic north of Madeira, Portugal, with the los of 16 hands, but amongst the 44 survivors was Kapitänleutnant Werner Henke. In stark contrast to his own actions, Werner Henke and his surviving crew were rescued by their attackers. On 15 July 1944, Werner Henke was shot and killed while attempting to escape from the interrogation center at Fort Hunt, Virginia, USA. It is reported that he simply walked towards the fence in broad daylight and slowly began climbing it. When he continued to climb after the guards shouted for him to stop, he was fatally shot. It is thought that he chose this form of suicide because he believed he faced extradition and a “showcase” trial as a war criminal having left 656 people from the S.S. Ceramic to die. Werner Henke is buried in the Soldiers Cemetery at Fort George G. Meade, Maryland, USA.
     
  2. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    Not commemorated by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission as being a soldier, but is possibly the casualty who resided at 22 Ullswater Street, Liverpool 5, and recorded by the CWGC as follows:-

    LLEWELLIN, WILLIAM NORMAN. Printer.
    Merchant Navy, S.S. Ceramic (Southampton).
    Died 7 December 1942. Aged 39.
    Commemorated on the Tower Hill Memorial, London. Panel 26.

    Hello Neil,

    If I follow you correctly you think that the above W N Llewellin of ss CERAMIC could be the R A gunner and not the seaman.

    The problem I believe is that there were some MRA gunners possibly travelling as passengers aboard the ship and are not recorded by name on the passenger list but only in block.

    However, if he was a member of the ship's DEMS gun crew he would be recorded on the ship's Articles of Agreement usually as a Deck Hand. This Agreement should be able to tell you if WN Llewellin was a Merchant seaman or a gunner. If he was travelling as a passenger then it is more likely that he is not mentioned individually on the passenger list.

    A copy of the ship's last Crew Agreement or more correctly the (Articles of Agreement) should be able to help prove that for you. The last Crew Agreement is held at TNA in piece BT 381/1812

    If you wish to obtain the document you should click the link above then hit "request this" and follow instructions. It is important to ask for the "last Crew Agreement for CERAMIC official number 135474". It would cost you nothing if you or someone could visit Kew and look at the file. Failing that TNA would advise you of the costs.

    Alternately try emailing the ss CERAMIC website as they have the Crew Agreement and passenger list and may be able to provide you with a copy or a look up on Llewellin.

    Mistakes on war memorials are nothing new and can be difficult to sort out without giving the relevant organisation the proof that they need.

    I hope that is of some help.

    Regards
    Hugh
     
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  3. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    Excellent advice there Hugh, and a laudable effort on neils part in finding this possible error.

    Pete.
     
  4. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    This is an unusual case not strictly a Non-Com but a GLARING and unbelievably incorrect database entry. My mate Dave Hughes (whom I hugely respect as a real WW2 expert) thinks that the CWGC wrongly record him as a merchant navy seaman (on the Tower Hill Memorial) when in fact he was probably a soldier serving in the flipping ARMY!

    To me it seems quite likely that the authorities have cocked up here and recorded him as a merchant marine sailor in error! His name appears on Folkestone's civic war memorial which is how David came to know of the (potential) problem.

    Any help or advice gratefuly received.

    Neil

    FOLKESTONE WAR MEMORIAL
    St. Mary and St. Eanswythe at Folkestone

    Gunner 1445607 William N LLEWELLIN. 4/2 Maritime Regiment, Royal Artillery (RA). Died at Sea 7 December 1942. Born last qtr 1903 at Toxteth Park, Liverpool. Resided Liverpool.

    Not commemorated by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission as being a soldier, but is possibly the casualty who resided at 22 Ullswater Street, Liverpool 5, and recorded by the CWGC as follows:-

    LLEWELLIN, WILLIAM NORMAN. Printer.
    Merchant Navy, S.S. Ceramic (Southampton).
    Died 7 December 1942. Aged 39.
    Commemorated on the Tower Hill Memorial, London. Panel 26.

    * Should be on the Brookwood Memorial instead?

    The General Registry Office Second World War deaths, (1942, Volume 14, page 291) record William as Gunner, 1445607, William N. Llewellyn of the Royal Artillery, as opposed to the surname being spelt Llewellyn.



    Neil

    If he is indeed Maritime RA, he would not be recorded on Brookwood Memorial, but on either the Chatham, Plymouth or Portsmouth Naval Memorials along with his fellow members of the Maritime Royal Artillery Regiments.

    Having photographed Chatham Naval Memorial, 3 & 5 Maritime RA are commemorated there. 1 & 2 Maritime RA seem to be commemorated on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial and 4 & 6 Maritime RA on the Plymouth Naval Memorial.
    Cheers - Rob
     
  5. Neil Clark

    Neil Clark Junior Member

    Thanks for all this valuble advice lads. I will be "necky" and put this one out to tender - is there someone who would like to take this case up? I must be honest, WW2 isn't my thing and I have no real understanding of these R.A Martime units...

    I think someone else may be better placed to do him the honour.

    I do still think that the CWGC have got it wrong here...

    Neil

    PS - I have large (detailed) photos of ALL Chatham Naval Memorial panels for anyone who wants them. Just PM your post address and I will send a CD onwards...
     
  6. Neil Clark

    Neil Clark Junior Member

    SS CERAMIC

    I have just sent an email to the site above asking for assistance. I have provided a copy of this link so hopefuly someone may bob their head up and introduce themselves...
     
  7. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Neil

    put forward the case with the DC. MOD Army should still his service file at Glasgow to cross check it

    Chris
     
  8. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Discovered where the likely cock up occured

    The Crew

    Due to a strict allied interpretation of the "Articles of War", naval D.E.M.S. personnel were designated "deck hands" or "supernumeraries" because if they had been classified as military, the vessel would have been classed as a warship. The naval crew aboard the Fort Longueuil are recorded as "deck hands" in the ship's crew list.

    The same would have applied to the Ceramic not that U Boat would have given a damm. I would simply say that the DC in itself should be sufficent proof
     
  9. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    All DEMS gunners signed on the individual ship's Articles of Agreement as deck hands. This was to avoid diplomatic problems. They were also issued with civilian clothing when ashore in a neutral port and paid a nominal shiling a week from the ship owners to make it legal.

    I still think you may need to find out if WN Llewellin was a merchant seaman or a gunner aboard CERAMIC. We know, according to the CWGC and the CERAMIC website, that there was a WN Llewellin who was shown as being a crew member aboard CERAMIC and the RA gunner with the same name may or may not have been aboard that particular ship as there were other ships sunk on 6/7th December 1942. If they are indeed one and the same man then the Crew Agreement should have enough information to work that out.

    There is a medal file held in piece BT 395/1 for a merchant seaman by the name of William Norman Llewellin born 08 December 1903 which fits his age at death in 1942. It looks to me that WN Llewellin was a merchant seaman aboard the ship his commemoration on Tower Hill looks correct. You have the evidence that there was a R A gunner by the name of William N. Llewellin and that he died on 7th December 1942, that should be enough to have him registered by the CWGC as a soldier but you will need to give the CWGC evidence if you think he is mistakenly commemorated on Tower Hill. I think the man on Tower Hill was indeed W N Llewellin of the ss CERAMIC, Merchant Navy.

    The gunner's service record will not show which ship he was on when he was lost.

    I will ask Billy McGee if he can check the Deaths at Sea Register he may be able to add to the thread.

    Regards
    Hugh
     
  10. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Hugh

    thanks for the additional info on MN matters. I really know very little with regard to these matters

    Chris
     
  11. Billy McGee

    Billy McGee Senior Member

    Casualties from the loss of the Ceramic are recorded in the Deaths at Sea Register for April 1943, listing all the crew casulties plus 14 DEMS gunners from President III & 4/2Maritime Regt. confirmed from other casualty data I have. A number of other naval personnel can be confirmed through other casualty data I have on file, who do not appear in the register.

    The man in question LLEWELLIN, WILLIAM NORMAN is recorded on page 46 of the register amongst the casaulties from the ships catering dept. He is recorded with the same details stated by the CWGC.

    His address is recorded as 82 Ullswater St, Liverpool 5 and not as 22 as previously stated in an earlier thread.

    Rgds Billy
     
  12. Neil Clark

    Neil Clark Junior Member

    It's hard for me to follow, sorry I don't understand WW2 much. So what you are saying is that -

    The CWGC record the correct data, he was a MERCHANTILE MARINE MEMBER NOT A SOLDIER?

    If thats the case then please all accept my apologies for wasting your time like this... I'm always happy to admit when I'm wrong (unlike other odd people I have come accross in the past on the GWF etc...)...

    Thanks
    Neil
     
  13. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Neil

    dont forget that you probably have a non commemorated RA soldier in your clutches

    Chris
     
  14. rachel-E

    rachel-E Senior Member

    Hiya all..

    I was just reading this thread, very interesting. I don't know much about what you have said BUT i have a question. After someone was killed in action, does a member of their family still have to register their death?
    If so his death certificate should have his occupation listed on it, and his home address previous to the war!..

    Hope this helps.
    Sorry if it don't ..

    I know from previous experience family history wise, that the stories passed down usually have an element of truth in them... You will get to the bottom of it.. ;o)

    Rachel ..
     
  15. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    It's hard for me to follow, sorry I don't understand WW2 much. So what you are saying is that -

    The CWGC record the correct data, he was a MERCHANTILE MARINE MEMBER NOT A SOLDIER?

    If thats the case then please all accept my apologies for wasting your time like this... I'm always happy to admit when I'm wrong (unlike other odd people I have come accross in the past on the GWF etc...)...

    Thanks
    Neil

    Neil,
    You have nothing whatsoever to apologise for. Chris is absolutely correct you have a non commemorated Maritime R.A. gunner that needs to be properly recognised/commemorated by the CWGC.

    This forum is here to help find out just this kind of thing so if anything we are grateful to you for bringing it to the fore.

    Regards
    Hugh
     
  16. Neil Clark

    Neil Clark Junior Member

    Heard back from website owner - he's recorded on crew list as a Merchant Navy PRINTER of all things. Can't imagine why a ship would need a printer on board?

    I'm confused. Are you saying that this chap is recorded wrongly by the Commission as a merchant navy man and he was in fact a R.A soldier?

    I read the above to suggest he's recorded properly and is therefore NOT a soldier or a non-com?

    Sorry to be thick, this WW2 stuff isn't easy to follow - who came up with the stupid idea to have R.A soldiers on board ships? Why not just make them RN men attached?
     
  17. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    No, I am saying that there was a merchant seaman by the name of William Norman Llewellin who died aboard CERAMIC and is properly commemorated by the CWGC as a merchant seaman on the Tower Hill Memorial. The evidence, without seeing the Crew Agreement for myself, leads me to that fact.

    My thinking is they are two different people: one a seaman and one a gunner.
    We need to look more at The MRA gunner William N Llewellin commemorated on the Folkestone Memorial. What evidence is there that he was aboard CERAMIC? Why is he remembered at Folkestone? Could the mistake have been made at Folkestone rather than the CWGC.

    Remember, if you think that it is a case of mistaken identity and the man on Tower Hill is not a merchant seaman but a soldier you will have to gather the evidence to prove that otherwise you will have no joy with the CWGC.

    The only way to get the answers to these questions for sure would be to look at the various primary records: The gunners service record, the CERAMIC's Crew Agreement. Local records at Folkestone maybe.

    Regarding your other questions about MRA gunners serving at sea, the RN could not provide enough manpower as they were pretty stretched themselves. The MRA was formed and helped to provide gunners to augment the navy gunners aboard MN ships. The Merchant Navy also provided men to help in the gun crews.

    I hope that helps and I hope I am not making matters worse by explaining this badly.

    Regards
    Hugh
     
  18. Billy McGee

    Billy McGee Senior Member

    Heard back from website owner - he's recorded on crew list as a Merchant Navy PRINTER of all things. Can't imagine why a ship would need a printer on board?

    I'm confused. Are you saying that this chap is recorded wrongly by the Commission as a merchant navy man and he was in fact a R.A soldier?

    I have a number of Merchant Navy casualties recorded with the rating "Printer" All were lost from the larger ships, who were employed normally in peace time on passenger ships or passenger cargo ships. During the war, I take it they still used them during this time to circulate daily newsletters as well as other daily catering jobs as to print off menus.

    Military casualties were reported by the individuals regiment to the CWGC, so I don't believe a mistake has been made for the man in question. He was to all my knowledge a Merchant Seaman, whose details were submitted to the General Register of Shipping & Seamen for inclusion in the Deaths at Sea Register before forwarding to the Commission.
     
  19. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Neil

    the MN chap is correctly recorded. Your RA chap is a non commemorated. Eight gunners were killed on the Peter Maersk also sunk that day with no survivors. Also the Henry Stanley was lost with 8 gunners. Just to add difficult to tell if these men were RN or RA

    Chris
     
  20. Billy McGee

    Billy McGee Senior Member

    Neil

    the MN chap is correctly recorded. Your RA chap is a non commemorated. Eight gunners were killed on the Peter Maersk also sunk that day with no survivors. Also the Henry Stanley was lost with 8 gunners. Just to add difficult to tell if these men were RN or RA

    Chris

    Information below confirmed by cross reference of CWGC records and the Deaths at Sea Register.

    PETER MAERSK DEMS Casualties

    Chatham Naval Memorial

    ANNELLS, Gunner, JAMES WILLIAM LEONARD, 14250728, 4/2 Maritime Regt., Royal Artillery. 7 December 1942. Age 19. Son of James and Violet Nellie Annells, of Southampton.

    CARLILE, Gunner, JOHN HENRY, 1797607, 3/2 Maritime Regt., Royal Artillery. 7 December 1942. Age 21. Son of John Henry and Margarett Cathrine Carlile, of Stratford, Essex.

    DONNELL, Lance Bombardier, WILLIAM ORLANDO, 7016831, 4/2 Maritime Regt., Royal Artillery. 7 December 1942. Age 25. Son of John Joseph Donnell, and of Blanche Ellen Donnell, of Willesden Green, Middlesex.

    KISS, Able Seaman, SAMUEL FRANK, C/JX 339477, M.V. Peter Maersk, Royal Navy. 7 December 1942. Age 19. Son of Samuel Frank and Alice Amy Kiss, of Wimbledon, Surrey.

    SULLIVAN, Gunner, CHARLES, 1795138, 3/2 Maritime Regt., Royal Artillery. 7 December 1942.

    WADE, Able Seaman, ANTHONY JOHN, C/JX 336396. H.M.S. President III. Royal Navy. lost in M.V. Peter Maersk. 7th December 1942. Age 19. Son of Thomas and Nellie Wade, of Woburn Sands, Buckinghamshire.

    Plymouth Naval Memorial

    STEPHENSON, Leading Seaman, GEORGE, D/JX 186275. H.M.S. President III. Royal Navy. lost in M.V. Peter Maersk. 7th December 1942. Age 22. Son of Charles and Jane Stephenson, of Eastgate, Lincolnshire.

    TULIP, Able Seaman, WILLIAM, D/JX 266202. H.M.S. President III. Royal Navy. lost in M.V. Peter Maersk. 7th December 1942. Age 31. Son of John William and Frances Helen Tulip, of Crook, Co. Durham; husband of Rena Tulip, of Crook.

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    [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman]SHANNON[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman], Able Seaman, WILLIAM, D/JX 347217. H.M.S. President III. Royal Navy. lost in M.V. Henry Stanley. 7th December 1942. Age 19. Son of Catherine Shannon, of Liverpool. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman]WOODWARD[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman], Petty Officer, ARTHUR, D/X 10498B. H.M.S. President III. Royal Naval Reserve. lost in M.V. Henry Stanley. 7th December 1942. Age 30. Son of William and Mary Woodward, of Liverpool. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman]There is one other gunner listed from the Henry Stanley in the Deaths at Sea Register by the name of W. HICKS. He is not recorded by the CWGC, but it could possibly a spelling mistake in the register and could be this man below.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman]HILLS[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman], Gunner, FREDERICK WILLIAM, 5504605, 5 Maritime Regt., Royal Artillery. 7 December 1942. Age 23. Son of William and Edith May Hills, of Swanley, Kent. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
     

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