Guards Service and Paybooks

Robert Derek ROBERTS, 2625718, Grenadier Guards

 

Joseph MARTIN, 2615745, Grenadier Guards then Parachute Regiment (wounded & POW at Arnhem)

 

Hi,

I think he may have been transferred from 2nd Scots Guards just before they were posted to Egypt (1938?) as he would have gone on the reserve whilst abroad.

My relative 2695287 was a contemporary (enlisted 18.9.35) and was also posted 2nd SG to 1st. He was wounded and POW in Norway.

Regards

Steve

 

I am somewhat lacking in Irish Guards, I'll have to keep an eye out to complete the set.

Alistair

 

Gdsm William Kidd, 2698468, initially 4th Scots Guards, on 1st October 1944 he was wounded in the hand

 

Gdsm Frederick Allen, 2735891, his unit is given as Foot Guards, his number is from the Welsh Guards block but I'm not sure if he was with them all through or moved about - he is noted as disembarking North Africa 27/5/43 & Italy 5/2/44 and had trained on 3" mortars & 6 Pounders so I guess was in Support Company

 

2696698 John McLeod TEASDALE, who originally enlisted in the Scots Guards - he later moved to the RASC including companies that were part of the Chindits (but not sure if he saw action with them) as well as 250 Company who were Airborne (I believe he joined as a post Arnhem replacement). Gdsm Teasdales number is confusing and I raised a separate thread about it Duplicate Scots Guards number as the corrected number (which is also on his driving licence, kit bag, dog tags & letters) ties in with someone else on the casualty returns on findmypast.

 

2661972 Sgt Leslie Davison COULSON, 4th Coldstream Guards - he was wounded 28/2/45

2661972 Sgt Leslie Davison COULSON, 4th Coldstream Guards

 

Photos restored and Sgt Coulson added (I'll slowly fix my other threads too)

 

2734117 Richard George Bailey, CSM, 3rd Welsh Guards killed 23/4/43 Casualty

 

2623090 Edward George JENNER-WOOD 1st Grenadier Guards, wounded 21/7/44 - any extra info most welcome

 

War Diary entry showing CSM Bailey was killed by AA fire, not sure if this was falling AA fire or if they came under AA fire used in the ground role

 

Hi Alistair,

Thanks for posting. I note the entry on the right hand page OS 32 and the date 7.3.45.

I’d interpret that as him having been overseas 32 days before he was wounded in July 1944 (GAD went to Normandy commencing 13th June 1944) and that he was still recovering from his wounds in March 1945.

I’ve never seen an example of the second document before but it makes sense to have it for security reasons and so Barracks Staff could track any missing men. Is it something that is still in use to this day....or has it been replaced by a “swipe card”

Steve

 

I'd agree about the OS being overseas service and only 32 days, not sure if its 32 days til wounded or 32 days til he was taken back to the UK (I guess he went back quickly after wounding). I've seen this on a few paybooks

The other document makes me think of the brass duty tags men had (I think on there bed) to show if on or off duty, or in another are the tags that miners or firemen use to show they are down the pit/in a building.

 

2607708 Ernest HUCKVALE of 2nd Grenadier Guards enlisted 12/4/21

 

2619865 Thomas Henry TEAGUE 5th Grenadier Guards, wounded in Italy 2/10/44

 

I managed to get 3 of the Scots Guards records from Findmypast (thanks amberdog45 for the heads up) so have a bit extra info as below

James Mallon was with 1st Battalion, he was tried by FGCM for striking a superior officer and found guilty (oddly he still got graded as exemplary - honest, trustworthy & reliable when discharged) - he was on 6 pounders but seems to have been moved away from a combat role due to chest troubles and his death in 1973 was due to such issues

Jack Youngs wound was shell shrapnel to the chest - he served in the Norway campaign in 1940 and in 1938 was AWOL for a period of 4 months

William Bowles was with M company during all his Scots Guards days - M Company seems to have been the band and he played cornet

 

2662415 Albert Jellicoe GAISH, a Coldstream Guardsman - he seems to have gone overseas at the start of 1943 which I assume makes him 2nd or 3rd Battalion, he seems to have returned to the UK late July 1943 and was immediately downgraded to D (temporarily unfit) 3 months later raised to C (Marked Physical disability or evidence of past disease or marked defect or locomotion combined with poor vision or hearing) so I assume he was sent home wounded/injured/ill - he doesn't show on casualty lists so probably not wounded but time and Service Records will tell at some point down the line. I have seen a note online that he guarded Hess at some point but no idea when - his middle name I'm assuming is a gift from his father (a WW1 sailor)

 

I have also found out that Sgt Coulson's wound was a shrapnel wound to the face and right eye