Discussion in 'The Brigade of Guards' started by Tullybrone, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member



    I’ve just pointed a GWF member towards RHQ WG for a WW1 service record and he posted the following (edited to exclude WW1 comments)

    “Just called WG RHQ, they no longer hold the records, they've all been sent to APC Glasgow.

    So phoned APC a very helpful chap, they always are, informed me that they do have them, Welsh and Irish Guards service records, as of August last year.

    He did say what should have happened, the WW1 records should have gone to the NA and post WW1 records to them, but they ended up with them all.

    So they are dealing with them now.

    Hope this helps others.”

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  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Do they also have the WW2 records for CG, GG and SG?
  3. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi Andy,

    I’m sure that MOD would’ve told the enquirer if all Foot Guards files had been transferred

    IMHO I expect IG & WG took the decision to move their files as they have only got 100 years or so of files and were only 1 Battalion strong for most of that time (except wartime) so it’s probably no longer viable on cost grounds, in view of MOD cutbacks, to maintain the previous archive service.

    As the other regiments have been existence since 17th Century their Archives will be enormous in comparison so they have no reason, as yet, to lose control of their Regimental service file archive.

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  4. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Nice to see that you’ve listed the Regiments in the correct order of precedence Andy:)

    Nulli Secundus
  5. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Lucky guess :lol:
  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Oh no he didn't
  7. Recce_Mitch

    Recce_Mitch Very Senior Member

    Isn’t it GG, CG, SG, IG, WG
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  8. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hence my use of the Latin CG motto........
  9. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I knew what you were getting at. Wasn't going to let you get away with it. As my Great-Uncle was a Grenadier in WW1. :)
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  10. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    How does that old story go?

    CG HQ sets up with a sign and its motto. The HQ next to it puts "None" on its sign.
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  11. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

  12. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Copy and paste from topic in Great War Forum 5th May 2015 -

    “The Guards Museum web site states at The Guards Museum - Family Research

    "Increasing numbers of people are undertaking major research to find out more about their relations who have served in The Guards regiments. Many of these people ring the museum to ask us to search the archives for details about these former soldiers. Unfortunately, we do not hold any service records on individuals. The following Foot Guards regiments no long hold any records; Grenadier, Coldstream, Irish and Welsh Guards. For the soldiers records for these regiments please go to the following link

    The only Foot Guards regiment to still hold their records are the Scots Guards 020 7414 3324"

    While the Grenadier Guards site shows at Find a Grenadier Ancestor - History and Archives - Grenadier Guards

    "Records of Service of the Grenadier Guards are currently being transferred from Regimental Headquarters Grenadier Guards to main MoD records.

    Please send your enquiry/request to: Army Disclosures, Army Personnel Centre, Kentigern House, 65 Brown Street, Glasgow G2 8EX.

    During the transition, there will be an unavoidable delay in response times as re-indexing and cataloguing are necessary.

    If you have any questions, please telephone the Army Personnel Centre helpdesk on 0345 600 9663 who will put you through to the relevant section.


    Further update from a member on GWF 6th May 2018 -

    Scots Guards papers will be available at Scotland National Record Service in Edinburgh shortly. Currently being indexed etc.

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  13. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    A GWF member with access to RHQ CG Archives has posted on GWF today that he visited the archives a fortnight ago and the service records were still there.

    The staff maintained there are no plans for their transfer to MOD in Glasgow.

  14. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member


    I should have posted this sooner - the GWF member in my above message posted on GWF in November that CG records have now been transferred to MOD.

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  15. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member


    Has anyone applied for Scots Guards service records recently?

    The information in this topic that Scots Guards papers are now with NRS doesn’t appear to have been confirmed.

    Military Records | National Records of Scotland

    Based on a members post on GWF late last year I understood that SG records actually went to MOD Glasgow last year and on that basis I recently directed a member here to apply there.

    He has received a reply this week saying that Scots Guards papers are still held in the Regimental Archives.

    Has anyone got anymore definitive information on the current location of Scots Guards service papers?

  16. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    FYI dbf and Skip


    I don’t know if are aware but some WW2 era Scots Guards service files have recently been put on to Findmypast site?

    I have taken out a 2 week trial subscription at the highest Pro level and found the full service file of my relative who enlisted in 1935 and a couple of others from his squad photo so far as well as Gdsn Bryson who won the DCM in Norway in 1940 and was KIA in Italy in 1944.

    There appear to be some gaps as I couldn’t see the service record for 2695276 Ernie Bond who was an SAS original and later served in Met Police as head of the Bomb Squad during the height of the IRA mainland bombing campaign in the mid 1970’s. There is only an entry for him from the enlistment books that went on to FMP about 4 years ago but no service record.

    The papers I have found are vastly more detailed to those usually received from U.K. MOD and are more akin to the content of the Canadian service files available online. One file still had a soldiers Palestine GSM stapled to it.

    Best Wishes.

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  17. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    I’ve also discovered that some CG papers have also been put on FMP recently - does not include WW2 era service records.

    CG enlistment books are there as well as various other ledgers from 1800 to 1947.

    Get to know the Coldstream Guards | Blog

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