Group Photo Royal Marines at Helmieh

Discussion in 'North Africa & the Med' started by cagsy7, Mar 20, 2006.

  1. cagsy7

    cagsy7 Junior Member

    This group photo is from my dad's collection. He was a Royal Marine during WW2 Norman Matthews from Birkenhead EX 5587 MNBDO1 HO

    On the back it just says "Some of the lads at Helmieh"
    My dad is in the middle front row

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    Caryl
     
  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Good Photo!
    Egypt?
    Wasn't there a major Hospital at Helmieh?
    A
     
  3. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Good Photo!
    Egypt?
    Wasn't there a major Hospital at Helmieh?
    A

    2/10 British General Hospital.

    Many NZ nurses there also as well as the Queen Alex's.

    There was also 1 NZ then 3 NZ General Hospital.
     
  4. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Good Photo!
    Egypt?
    Wasn't there a major Hospital at Helmieh?
    A

    This is also where the Artillery Training Depot was, just outside Helmieh where they conducted live shoots.

    There was a lovely swimming pool in Helmieh and an Australian Club which was frequented by the NZedders as well.

    Wouldn't you like to have a report of the goings on there.
     
  5. cagsy7

    cagsy7 Junior Member

    This is also where the Artillery Training Depot was, just outside Helmieh where they conducted live shoots.

    There was a lovely swimming pool in Helmieh and an Australian Club which was frequented by the NZedders as well

    Thanks for that Spidge

    I wondered what my dad was doing there and what was there at the time
    On some of his other photos he has written 'Helmieh" on the back.
    For a while I thought it said "Helmich" and that threw me, only just recently twigged what it really said - doh!

    I've just applied for a ww2 site from the hosts here, so I'll upload more photos to that

    Meanwhile here is another

    On the back of this one it says Myself, Paddy Boyle (or Doyle), Job Ashley, Joe Aldred. Would really like to know more about those men, so maybe once I put them on a site their family members might spot them and tell me more

    Wasn't there a Paddy Boyle or Doyle (looks more like Boyle than Doyle) who was awarded a VC? He wasn't a Royal Marine AFAIK, but he was in North Africa and somehow the Paddy in the photo does look separate from the rest, as if he isn't a Marine, or maybe he was, very common name

    Is that the club in the background?

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    Caryl
     
  6. handtohand22

    handtohand22 Senior Member

    Spidge,

    Do you know the name of the RA training area? I am unable to find Helmich on my large scale map.
    The only Base Depot (RA) that I am familiar with and have some photos of was at Almaza near Cairo.

    http://coleraine-battery.tripod.com
     
  7. cagsy7

    cagsy7 Junior Member

    I am unable to find Helmich

    It's Helmieh not Helmich. I made the same mistake, could not read my dad's writing! or did you make a typo?

    Caryl
     
  8. handtohand22

    handtohand22 Senior Member

    Sorry typo+memory, When you go to write a message, the origional message you are referring to disappears and you type from memory.

    Helmieh..............Helmieh

    httpL://coleraine-battery.tripod.com
     
  9. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Could be the club however I have never seen a picture.

    The only Boyle & Doyle who have won VC's were in WW1.
     
  10. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Spidge,

    Do you know the name of the RA training area? I am unable to find Helmich on my large scale map.
    The only Base Depot (RA) that I am familiar with and have some photos of was at Almaza near Cairo.

    http://coleraine-battery.tripod.com


    4th Regiment Royal Horse Artillery was formed at Helmieh in Egypt in May 1939 from three batteries drawn from independent commands in India. The batteries were C Battery, F (Sphinx) Battery and G Battery (Mercer's Troop), with the latter as F/G Battery. It was equipped with the 25 pdr MK VP. When G Battery left in 1939 and the Regiment was reorganised into three batteries it was joined by DD Battery, which was formed from C and F Batteries in October 1941.
     
  11. cagsy7

    cagsy7 Junior Member

    This is the Paddy Doyle I was thinking of and he was an MC holder, not VC. Now it's me getting mixed up LOL!


    Lt. Colonel Paddy Doyle MC
    Obituary in The Times 13th October 2000.

    " ...Paddy Doyle had a very full war. He was awarded his M.C. for conspicuous gallantry in 1940 at the battle of Karen, Abyssinia against Italian forces where he faced the last recorded horse mounted cavalry charge. His brother was killed in that battle. PD later served throughout the North African campaign and then in Burma. .."

    Probably isn't him. I'll ask around and see if anyone has a photo of the Paddy Doyle just in case

    Caryl
     
  12. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    This is the Paddy Doyle I was thinking of and he was an MC holder, not VC. Now it's me getting mixed up LOL!


    Lt. Colonel Paddy Doyle MC
    Obituary in The Times 13th October 2000.

    " ...Paddy Doyle had a very full war. He was awarded his M.C. for conspicuous gallantry in 1940 at the battle of Karen, Abyssinia against Italian forces where he faced the last recorded horse mounted cavalry charge. His brother was killed in that battle. PD later served throughout the North African campaign and then in Burma. .."

    Probably isn't him. I'll ask around and see if anyone has a photo of the Paddy Doyle just in case

    Caryl

    A hero in Africa and forgotten in Burma. What a war!
     

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