Grenadier Lt killed at Dunkirk photo / info request

Discussion in 'The Brigade of Guards' started by The Guardroom, Apr 21, 2011.

  1. The Guardroom

    The Guardroom Senior Member

    Hi, can anyone with a knowledge on the Grenadiers at Dunkirk help provide some information on 41136, Lt The Hon Gustavus Lascelles Hamilton- Russell. Died 2/6/1940 of wounds recieved at Dunkirk, whilst on board a ship returning to the UK.

    Would really love to have a picture of him if there is any in a roll of honour publication or shcoll memorial book.

    Many thanks,
    Alan

    Casualty
     
  2. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

  3. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Here's his entry on CWGC:

    CWGC :: Certificate

    I have all the Guards War Diaries for 1940 France upto Brigade level. If you tell me what battaion he was in I'll go through the diary unless Diane beats me to it.

    A
     
  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    3rd Bn , Andy, just looked him up in their history.
     
  5. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Just checked the 3rd Bn's diary and he's not listed on the Officer Field Return for May and no mention of him in a list of officers in a written summary for June.
     
  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Mmmmmm the only entry in their history for him is in the roll of honour, his Bn is listed as 3rd. Maybe it was originally before getitng a Staff job maybe?
    He's not mentioned in the text of the book.
     
  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Found him and then lost him:

    He joined the Bn at Aldershot on 1st Sept 1939 at 1200 hrs.

    And then slips off the radar. He's not on any of the officer field returns. I'll need to have a closer look at the diary over the w/end.
     
  8. Vitesse

    Vitesse Senior Member

    Looking at the social columns of The Times in the 1930s, I'd be pretty certain he was at Eton and probably Cambridge. Not a happy family history though:
    May 1937

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    April 1938

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    He was also a hunting man:

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  9. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

  10. The Guardroom

    The Guardroom Senior Member

    Hi all,
    Many thanks for the help offered so far.
    The family had a very tragic time during the war as shown by the deaths of 3 brothers and 1 cousin.
    It seems strange how there is not much info on this Grenadier officer and about when his wounds were recieved or his death.
    As a new Officer in 1939, would he have been posted to a Staff role by 1940 or likely to remain in the Batt ?
    Not tried the Guards HQ, but may give them a go.
    Is it easier to write a letter or email them ? Also any charge for them doing this search as I know service paper requests come with a £30 charge.
    Rgds,
    Alan
     
  11. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    I would write, (have spent hours with the phone just ringing and ringing, no idea of email address other than museum which does not deal with such enquiries) ... the archivists are volunteers, and frankly the small staff in the RHQ have better things to deal with than historical enquiries.

    [Well you could always apply for his record under the 25 yr rule, full disclosure, copy CWGC cert and fee as you mentioned, but not worth the bother if you only want a photo.]

    I'd try first and see if they have a photo of him on file somewhere, maybe even offer a donation to fund or similar ... worth a stamp anyway. Give dates etc to help out in search - if they do have photos they'll likely be in date order / group ones. Any idea when he got his commission?

    Good luck!
     
  12. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    As a new Officer in 1939, would he have been posted to a Staff role by 1940 or likely to remain in the Batt ?

    He was far from being a 'new' officer. He had attained his Lieutenancy as far back as 18th January 1932. A reserve officer at the outbreak of war, he was mobilised as a Lieutenant (27th in seniority) on 24th August 1939.

    Dave
     
  13. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    Just for a change I'm not much help......
     

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  14. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

  15. The Guardroom

    The Guardroom Senior Member

    Thanks Dave, that explain that then.
    Not aware he had his commission in 1932.
    Will see what response I get from the Grenadier RHQ.
     
  16. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Not aware he had his commission in 1932..

    he was actually commissioned earlier than that (1930/31 at a guess). Jan 1932 is when he was promoted to full Lt.
     
  17. The Guardroom

    The Guardroom Senior Member

    Whilst searching found this on under Pathe news site - 1931'S FIRST BIG SOCIETY WEDDING - British Pathe

    Old short film of G L Hamilton-Russell's wedding in Westminster. Grenadier Guard of honour outside .
    Full title reads: "London. 1931's First Big Society Wedding. Big crowds brave cold and damp to get glimpse of Miss Joan Verney and Hon G Hamilton Russell at St. Margaret's, Westminster."

    The happy couple come out of Church. Their way is lined by guardsmen in bearskins / hats. The couple are followed by a host of bridesmaids.

    Dark shots as photographers get pictures of the couple. A large crowd have come out to see them.

    Intertitle reads: "Lord Lascelles - the King's Grandson - made his first public appearance."

    Presumably one of the several pageboys we see is Lord George Henry Hubert Harewood, Earl of Lascelles. He is the son of the Princess Royal.
     
  18. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Di,

    Do you have any idea who he was with in France? I'll check again (Perhaps he's on the Bde staff) but I'm sure he's not listed on the AT Coy or Bn field returns.

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  19. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    No idea Andy. I didn't bother checking anything 'cos Owen looked in the History, and I thought you did the Diaries already. My spreadsheet has nothing extra to add here.
     
  20. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Found him again !

    He's in 1st Guards Bde and in the field return for the 5th May he was on leave.

    He was wounded on the Mole and died in the UK according to the diary. I suspect the wounds were received by either German bombers or German artillery-The Mole was subjected to both quite considerably at the end of May/begining of June.

    Cheers
    Andy
     

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