Grenadier Guards, Other Ranks: unofficial Nominal Roll by Army Number order

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  1. dbf

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    (Block allocation 2604001 to 2646000)

    1. 2627008 ROBERTS D 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    2. 2627103 VARDY R -
    3. 2627153 - Lance Sergeant Patrick Gerald Albert Sweeney - 2nd Bn Grenadier Guards - Enlisted 04 Jan 1945
    4. 2627174 WOOD D -
    5. 2627267 Sgt Ronald Arthur WILCOX, 3rd Battalion, Grenadier Guards, died 23/12/2010 :poppy:
    6. 2627270 THORPE D 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    7. 2627280 Sergeant McCREE A.
    8. :poppy: 2627366 Lance Sergeant CLARKE, Peter Rupert, 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards; killed Palestine 8 May 1948, buried Khayat Beach War Cemetery See this post
    9. 2627404 Guardsman HOLBERRY Walter 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    10. 2627407 SHAW JH 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    11. 2627548 MARKHAM HAE 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    12. 2627556 Guardsman ANDREWS Denis Arthur 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    13. 2627947 PORTER E -
     
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    (Block allocation 2604001 to 2646000)

    1. 2628091 SNAPE D -
    2. 2628198 Guardsman KITCHING Rupert John 4th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    3. 2628265 LLOYD WED -
    4. 2628267 L/Cpl Anthony G PALMER, MBE, 3 Bn Grenadier Guards Joined 4/07/1945 See Grenadier Guards, Other Ranks: unofficial Nominal Roll by Army Number order
    5. 2628421 Warrant Officer Class 1 AOSM HUGGINS Raymond Pearse -
    6. 2628510 WINSLOW L -
    7. 2628713 Acting Warrant Officer Class 11 PAGE Reginald Charles -
    8. 2628822 Guardsman CAVENDISH E. S. M. Grenadier Guards


    1. 2629095 RUSSELL PCA -
    2. 2629106 Acting Warrant Officer Class 11 POPE James Gordon -
     
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  3. dbf

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    These army numbers do not fall within the block allocation. This list contains the details of men who either initially joined other regiments and transferred to Grenadier Guards, OR who were on attachment to the Grenadier Guards and so remained under their parent unit. (Some post 1950 8-digit service numbers are also included at the end of the list.)

    From
    Royal Army Service Corps 1 - 294000 (also 10660001 - 11000000)
    12555 Guardsman JOLLEY J.
    261337 Guardsman HARDY William 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    261396 Guardsman STRATTON R.
    261396 Guardsman STRATTON Robert Edward 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    262553 Guardsman DODSWORTH F.
    263392 Guardsman HARPER S. 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards 10 Company
    263392 Guardsman HARPER S. 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards 10 Company


    From
    Life Guards 294001 - 304000

    299488 (295978) Richard LUFF, Grenadier Guards

    From
    528001 to 721000 Hussars (Royal Armoured Corps also 558471 - 558761)
    557505 Lance-Corporal DEXTER Harry Richard 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Artillery (Field, Coastal & Anti-Aircraft) 721001 - 1842000 (also 11000001 - 11500000 )
    • 731482 Serjeant BAKER Oliver George Attached 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 768990 Frederick Charles LAIN, 3 Grenadier Guards: 02/05/1940
    • 769279 Guardsman DURDLE Thomas Sydney Garnet 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 773506 Guardsman FROUD D. J.
    • 783275 Guardsman MORRIS A. 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 783275 Guardsman MORRIS A. 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 783275 MORRIS A 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 789403 Lance-Sergeant JACKSON Fred 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 792733 Guardsman HEMMING C. J.
    • 792996 Lance-Corporal PARRIS C. J. 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards -
    • 792996 Lance-Corporal PARRIS C. J.
    • 799178 Guardsman DAVIES Arthur 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 820757 LINDSAY H 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 823356 Guardsman George CALEY, 3 Grenadier Guards: 21/05/1940
    • 823740 Guardsman BOWBRICK F. E.
    • 829098 Guardsman BIRCH A. H. J. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 829098 Guardsman BIRCH Henry Joseph 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 829263 J H E BLAKE, MiD, Grenadier Guards
    • 830294 Guardsman SHAW R. E.
    • 830737 Guardsman LINDSAY H. 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 830757 Guardsman LINDSAY H. 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 831680 Guardsman DU FEU Leonard Percy 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 841527 MURTON VG 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 848953 WHITE KGE 4th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 849127 Lance-Corporal NOYCE T. E.
    • 852701 Lance-Sergeant SPITTLES H. W.
    • 854812 Guardsman EVANS T. G.
    • 862719 Guardsman CHARTER T. L. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 862719 Guardsman CHARTER Thomas Leslie 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 865667 RUSSELL GR 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 867330 Sergeant MITCHELL H.
    • 867330 Serjeant MITCHELL H. 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 869841 STEEL TH 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 873182 Guardsman 'Jack' J T CARTER, 3 Grenadier Guards: 21/05/1940
    • 878433 Serjeant HAIGH William 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 910177 Guardsman MILLARD J. H. Grenadier Guards Davis Rifles Company
    • 910177 Guardsman MILLARD J. H. Grenadier Guards Davis Rifle Company
    • 910177 Guardsman MILLARD J. H. Grenadier Guards Davis Rifles Company
    • 910177 MILLARD JH 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 992520 Guardsman James David SWALLOW, 5 Grenadier Guards: 26/01/1944
    • 1058973 Guardsman OSCROFT J. D.
    • 1066403 Warrant Officer Class III William Sidney Arthur FREWIN, MiD, 3 Grenadier Guards: 22/06/1940
    • 1612655 RICHARDSON A 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 1614268 Guardsman BOX W. T. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 1652944 RUDGE WG 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Engineers 1842001 - 2303000
    :poppy: 1873128 MITCHELL, Thomas Heald Enlisted 4.5.1936 – 16.2.1937 Royal Engineers (underage); 20.6.1938 – 8.2.1941 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards; 9.2.1941 – 31.12.1943 56th Reconnaissance Corps; 1.1.1944 – 13.6.44 Royal Armoured Corps
    1890650 Serjeant BALL John Armistice 237 Field Company Grenadier Guards
    1985571 Lance-Sergeant PENTNEY T.
    2004730 Corporal MARTIN Alfred 272 Field Company Grenadier Guards
    2022288 Drill Sergeant ARMSTRONG G.
    2022288 Drill Sergeant ARMSTRONG, D.C.M. G.
    2022288 Warrant Officer Class 2 ARMSTRONG George Thomas 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    2031321 Andrew MULLIGAN, MM, MiD, Grenadier Guards
    2031751 Lance-Corporal CHIFNEY Kenneth Charles 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    2041221 C.S.M. FIELDING C.
    2045689 Guardsman SHAW J. D. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    2045689 SHAW JD 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    2048266 Guardsman LEWIS G. W.
    2048763 Serjeant Woodcock John 225 Field Company Grenadier Guards
    2064737 Guardsman HOLLANDS G. Grenadier Guards Reinforcement Company
    2064737 Guardsman HOLLANDS G. Grenadier Guards Reinforcements Company
    2064737 Guardsman HOLLANDS G. Grenadier Guards Reinforcement Company
    2077180 Driver ADAMS Douglas Frederick 42 Field Company Grenadier Guards
    2078243 Lance Corporal MILLAR Alfred 1 Field Squadron Grenadier Guards
    2080854 SMART RP 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    2116921 Serjeant GALLEY John James 144 Field Park Squadron Grenadier Guards
    2190404 Guardsman HENKEL L. F.
    2193762 Serjeant GRAY Arthur John Douglas 625 Field Squadron Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Corps of Signals 2303001 - 2604000
    2413292 Guardsman HAWTHORNE ? 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    2564654 Lance-Sergeant BADDER Ernest Leslie 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    2568245 Guardsman BLUNT Thomas Grenadier Guards
    2573870 Guardsman HEDGES A. G.
    2574219 Lance-Sergeant RIPLEY H. L.

    From
    Coldstream Guards 2646001 - 2688000
    2651664 Provost Marshal Serjean MALONEY J.
    2655196 Drummer LEE S. B. R.
    2658693 Guardsman COUSE F. S.
    2661223 Guardsman SANDERSON T.
    2663842 Guardsman CURTIS C. G.

    From
    Irish Guards 2714001 - 2730000
    2717681 H BEASLEY, MiD, Grenadier Guards
    2722906 Guardsman BURKE Denis Patrick 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    2732808 Guardsman CLARKE Stanley 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Black Watch (The Royal Highland Regiment) 2744001 - 2809000
    2808107 Warrant Officer Class 2 Regimental Quarter Master Serjeant SCOTT Thomas William

    From
    Gordon Highlanders 2865001 - 2921000
    2911298 Guardsman BODDY J.

    From
    Lancashire Fusiliers 3433001 - 3511000
    3446696 Lance-Sergeant TAYLOR H.
    3447690 C.S.M. LOWE S.
    3447690 Warrant Officer Class 2 LOWE Samuel 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    3447690 Acting Warrant Officer Class 1 LOWE Samuel -
    3447800 Lance-Corporal BROWN William McDonnell 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    3448414 Lance-Sergeant HOWARTH A.
    3448514 Lance-Corporal HOWARTH A.
    3448514 Lance-Sergeant HOWARTH, B.E.M. A.
    3448514 Corporal HOWARTH A. Grenadier Guards No 2 Commando
    3448514 Lance Corporal HOWARTH J. -

    From
    Manchester Regiment 3511001 - 3589000
    3518163 Serjeant LATHAM Walter 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    3521749 Lance-Corporal WADESON T. Grenadier Guards “X” List
    3525857 Guardsman RIGBY A.
    3527184 Lance-Serjeant HOLDING James Anthony Grenadier Guards
    3527915 Guardsman SHERRIFF K. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    3527915 SHIRREFF K 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    3530356 Guardsman BOUCHIER B. Grenadier Guards
    3530356 Guardsman BOUCHIER B. Grenadier Guards Davis Rifle Company
    3530356 Guardsman BOUCHIER B.
    3535533 Lance-Corporal HEATHCOTE G. F.

    From
    The Prince of Wales' Volunteers 3644001 - 3701000
    3652644 Guardsman BELLIS Harold 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    The King's Own Royal Regiment 3701001 - 3757000
    3712394 Lance-Sergeant FLETCHER Albert Thomas 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    The King's Regiment 3757001 - 3846000
    3765892 Guardsman SUTTON H.
    3782765 Guardsman EASTWOOD John Asworth 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    The Loyal Regiment 3846001 - 3902000
    3856085 Guardsman COLLISON W. 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards 5 Company

    From
    Monmouthshire Regiment 4070001 - 4103000

    From
    Cheshire Regiment 4114001 - 4178000

    From
    Royal Welch Fusiliers 4178001 - 4256000
    4193347 Guardsman EATON Patrick Frederick 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Northumberland Fusiliers 4256001 - 4334000
    4272340 MORGAN RV 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Durham Light Infantry 4435001 - 4523000
    4452767 Guardsman LAMBERT J.

    From
    West Yorkshire Regiment 4523001 - 4601000
    4530416 Sergeant FLANAGAN J.
    4535420 Guardsman GREAVES Frank 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Lincolnshire Regiment 4792001 - 4848000
    4799063 Lance-Corporal WILES J. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    4799063 WILES JG 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    4802756 Guardsman GRIMSDELL Arthur George 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards - Enlisted Lincolnshire Regiment 15/9/1938, Discharged Lincolnshire Regiment 17/4/1938; Enlisted Grenadier Guards 18/4/1939

    From
    Leicestershire Regiment 4848001 - 4904000
    4857849 Guardsman BRAMWELL David 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    4857983 Guardsman EGGINGTON T. W. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    4857983 Guardsman EGGINTON Thomas William 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    4858097 SPENCER AVS 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    4858330 SPENCER WH 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    South Staffordshire Regiment 4904001 - 4960000
    4911298 J BODDY, MiD, Grenadier Guards
    4911769 Sergeant JOHNSON A.
    :poppy: 4911888 Company Quarter Master Weston Edward Thomas -
    4914167 Guardsman LOWE S.

    From
    Sherwood Foresters 4960001 - 5038000
    4975581 C.S.M. Robert HUDSON - transferred in from the Sherwood Forresters January 1938; served 6th Bn Grenadier Guards
    4975580 Bernard HUDSON (brother of above-named) - transferred in from the Sherwood Forresters January 1938 - 2nd Bn Wellington Barracks; 4th Tank Bn
    4976176 MITCHELL, Fred 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards; GAD; (Regimental boxing champion)
    4983089 Guardsman MANSFIELD J. A.
    4983931 Guardsman KEY Harry 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    North Staffordshire Regiment 5038001 - 5094000
    5040930 SHORTHOUSE F -
    5045198 Guardsman MELLOR W.
    5045681 Sergeant BARTRAM A.
    5045681 Serjeant BARTRAM Alfred 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    5045807 PICKERILL LH 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    5046864 SNOW J 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    5047729 PLANT GR 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    5047810 Lance-Corporal COOPER S. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    5047810 Lance-Corporal COOPER Sydney 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    5048657 Sergeant PANKHURST C.

    From
    Royal Warwickshire Regiment 5094001 - 5172000
    5109772 Corporal HOLDER J.
    5110651 Guardsman BRASSINGTON G. J. Grenadier Guards Davis Rifles Company
    5110651 Guardsman BRASSINGTON G. J. Grenadier Guards Davis Rifles Company
    5110651 Guardsman BRASSINGTON G. J. Grenadier Guards Davis Rifle Company

    From
    Gloucestershire Regiment 5172001 - 5239000

    From
    Worcestershire Regiment 5239001 - 5328000

    From
    Royal Berkshire Regiment 5328001 - 5373000
    • 5328437 R.S.M. MINESS E.
    • 5333815 Guardsman WOODERS W. 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 5333815 Guardsman WOODERS W. A. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 5333815 WOODERS WA 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 5334534 Guardsman WESTBROOKE J.
    • 5334851 Guardsman CORDERY G. H.

    From
    Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry 5373001 - 5429000
    • 5381648 Sergeant ENTWISTLE MF 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 5382080 Guardsman COLLETT Hubert 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 5382558 WHITE EJ 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Hampshire Regiment 5485001 - 5562000
    • 5499840 Lance-Corporal WOODLEY Stanley 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Wiltshire Regiment 5562001 - 5608000
    • 5574432 Lance-Corporal WITT F. J.

    From
    Dorsetshire Regiment 5718001 - 5763000
    • 5723689 SUTTON E -
    • 5726099 MARSHALLSAY S 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 5732891 Guardsman CARTER R. W. C.
    • 5735547 Guardsman MOORCROFT L.

    From
    Suffolk Regiment 5819001 - 5875000
    • 5834230 Lance-Corporal BOZEAT L.
    • 5834230 Unpaid Lance Corporal BOZEAT Leonard 6th Motor Battalion Grenadier Guards
    • 5836337 Guardsman FORDHAM James Edward 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Northhamptonshire Regiment 5875001 - 5931000
    1. 5881020 Lance-Corporal JONES Arthur 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    2. 5882360 Guardsman DENTON Herbert George 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    3. 5884629 D BONIFACE, MiD, Grenadier Guards

    From
    Cambridgeshire Regiment 5931001 - 5942000
    5932534 Guardsman IRONS B. H.

    From
    Bedfordshire & Hertfordshire Regiment 5942001 - 5998000
    5989506 Lance-Corporal DENT H.

    From
    Essex Regiment 5998001 - 6076000
    6010028 Serjeant KILFORD Robert George 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    The Queen's Royal Regiment 6076001 - 6132000
    6011868 Guardsman MARKHAM C. J.
    6102628 Guardsman FRENCH Albert Frank 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards


    East Surrey Regiment 6132001 - 6188000

    6138449 Warrant Officer Class III (P.S.M.) HILLIARD Leslie Thomas 2nd Battalion ROYAL INNISKILLING FUSILIERS Formerly GG

    From
    Middlesex Regiment 6188001 - 6278000
    6199909 Guardsman MASKEY W. F.
    6201036 C.S.M. FISHER K.
    6201036 Warrant Officer Class 2 FISHER Kenneth 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6201592 Guardsman BROWNE D. R. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6201592 Guardsman BROWNE Donald Roland 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6202660 Guardsman KEEBLE A. A. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6202660 Guardsman KEEBLE Alfred Arthur 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6212881 Lance-Corporal LAVERS V. W.

    From
    The Buffs (East Kent Regiment) 6278001 - 6334000
    6283699 Guardsman HILL George V. 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6284792 Musician DIXON W.
    6286759 Guardsman BUTTON G. 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6286759 Guardsman BUTTON G. 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6286759 Guardsman BUTTON George 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6287238 WHITE RJ -
    6297229 Guardsman BROWN John 4th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal West Kent Regiment 6334001 - 6390000
    6342225 TAYLOR FA 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6344525 Guardsman CLARKE C. R. Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Sussex Regiment 6390001 - 6446000
    6398344 Guardsman ATTFIELD Arthur John 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6399253 Guardsman BAKER George Bertram Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Fusiliers 6446001 - 6515000
    6464095 WILSON DJ -
    6464769 Lance-Corporal KETTLE William Anthony King’s Company, 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6464976 PILCHER JA -


    ****?????*****
    Again thanks to Grunson
    From
    6515001 6825000 London Regiment

    6539339 Sergeant NOLAN F. M.
    6607559 Lance-Corporal DEFERM Samuel 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    6607946 TURNER GWH 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    The Rifle Brigade 6905001 - 6972000
    6920849 Guardsman WHEELER R. S.
    6967879 E HUTT, MiD, Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Ulster Rifles 7006001 - 7040000
    7021442 PORTEUS F 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Army Medical Corps 7245001 - 7536000
    7263018 E MULLINEUX, MiD, Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Army Ordnance Corps 7574001 - 7657000
    7596899 Lance-Corporal BARRETT William James RAOC Attached 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    (Royal) Military Police 7681001 - 7717000
    7691232 Guardsman CONROY Clarence George Henry 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Armoured Corps 7891869 - 8230000 (also 558471 - 558761)
    320969 (7942404) John Clifford HALL, Grenadier Guards
    7955216 TAYLOR RG 4th Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    Royal Artillery (Field, Coastal & Anti-Aircraft) 11000001 - 11500000 (also 721001 - 1842000)
    11000166 Guardsman KERR Ernest Eric 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    11408360 Guardsman HAGUE Henry Brian 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards

    From
    General Service Corps 14200001 - 15000000
    14200162 Guardsman MORRIS A.
    14220374 Guardsman FOX Edward Frank 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14220377 Guardsman HAILL William Michael 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14220893 Guardsman BEBBINGTON Bernard George 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14220897 Guardsman CLOUGH Harry 4th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14223900 Guardsman BARKER Gordon Wilfred 5th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14223901 Guardsman COLLINGS N.
    14279266 Guardsman HERMAN Raymond William 4th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    312955 (14419267) Harry Gordon CHURCHILL, Grenadier Guards
    346897 (14496075) Lionel Godfrey MILLS, Grenadier Guards
    14498932 Guardsman CROFTS Alexander Only Grenadier Guards
    14499377 SMITH J -
    14499452 Guardsman CURRY Eric J. Grenadier Guards
    14499977 QUIRK SJ 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14582184 Guardsman BOOTH Edwin 6th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14592493 Lance-Corporal GRAY Peter John 4th Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14592533 Guardsman PULESTON J. W.
    14592539 Guardsman SALMON H.
    14671490 Guardsman BARBER Arthur Edward -
    14671940 Guardsman BARBER A.
    14673759 Guardsman GRIDLEY Frederick Butler 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14680864 Guardsman FRENCH Gordon Philip 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14681726 Guardsman BOWERS Ernest John 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14702883 Guardsman BROWN Walter James 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    14873685 Lance-Corporal GREENOUGH J. W. 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards


    Service Nos (allocated post 1950)
    21006010 Warrant Officer Class 1 THOMAS Dylis Arthur -
    22213068 Warrant Officer Class 1 TINGEY William Roland -
    22213364 Acting Warrant Officer Class 11 HARPER James -
    22213869 Corporal Cresswell Denis Maxwell 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    22213881 Lance Serjeant BROWN John Colin -
    22213910 Staff Serjeant TRUSSLER Reynold Harry -
    22266634 Serjeant GOODWIN Vincent -
    22530998 Acting Warrant Officer Class 2 Denness David -
    22545176 Corporal ALLEN Geoffrey Samuel -
    22545949 Serjeant AXWORTHY Alfred Victor -
    22955094 Serjeant PEACHEY Alfred Derek -
    23150119 Staff Serjeant HILL William Albert -
    23252332 Staff Serjeant Hodgkinson Peter 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    23252389 Serjeant Worsfold Douglas John -
    23309688 Staff Serjeant THOMPSON Brian Edwin -
    23509254 Serjeant Cousins David William 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    23688150 Acting Staff Serjeant Dove Terence -
    23855333 Warrant Officer Class 1 ROSSI Derek Rodney -
    23865132 Colour Serjeant ROBINSON Morris 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards
    23972062 Serjeant Reincke Gareth -
    24000230 Staff Serjeant STEEL John Anthony -
    24000334 Serjeant WILKINSON David Elvin -
    24021013 Staff Serjeant GALLAGHER Lawrence Peter -
    24021015 Corporal MANN Terence -
    24021015 Serjeant MANN Terence -
    24048749 Serjeant BRADLEY Dennis -
    24141029 Acting Warrant Officer Class 2 "West" Anthony James -
    24141696 Serjeant Warlow Raymond Thomas George -
    24154944 Warrant Officer Class 2 DABBS Michael -
    24164833 Staff Serjeant CARTER Ronald Michael -
    24225239 Staff Serjeant TUCK Stephen -
    24306844 Serjeant Wedesch Adrian Thomas -
    24400912 Colour Serjeant MILSOM Steven Paul -
     
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  4. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Guardsmen for whom numbers are incomplete, are illegible or which might be duplicated in error:


    ???6375 Guardsman WATERHOUSE J. 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards 5 Company

    ?2614255 (See J. Thompson) Guardsman THOMSON W. 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards 5 Company
    ?2614255 (See W. Thomson) Guardsman THOMPSON J. 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards 5 Company

    ?2615855 (See D. Seane) Guardsman ROBINSON J. Grenadier Guards Reinforcement Company
    2615855 ? (See D Seane) Guardsman ROBINSON J. Grenadier Guards Reinforcement Company

    ?2615855 (See J Robinson) Guardsman SEANE D. Grenadier Guards Reinforcement Company
    2615855 ? (See J Robinson) Guardsman SEANE D. Grenadier Guards Reinforcement Company

    ?6375 Guardsman WATERHOUSE G. 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards 5 Company
     
  5. Kayball

    Kayball Junior Member

    Just found your site whilst checking on information for my deceased brother 2614264 Horace Hinton Kay (Known as Danny)
    I have his Paybook (Army Book 64) and Certificate of Service.(Army Form B108) which gives the following details:-
    He was borne in 1914 and joined the 1st battalion Grenadier Guards on 2nd August 1934. He was with the regiment througout the war and retired as RSM on 1st August 1956, whilst stationed at Headquarters, Eastern Command.
    Hope this will help someone to fill in a few gaps. Happy to supply any other information I have, if required.
    Regards
    Kayball
     
  6. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hello and welcome to the forum Kayball.
    Thanks for posting the enlistment date, I've added your brother's details to post no. 8 in this thread.

    I would be interested in anything you'd care to share about your brother and his service. Do you know which battalion(s) he served with and would you care to post some photos if you have any?

    Regards
    Diane
     
  7. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    An excellent source. I note at least one ORQMS - Orderly Room Quarter Master Sergeant. In SG this warrant officer wore a different style of accouterments on his tunic to anyone else in the regiment. There will be 6 men across the brigade, one for each regiment and one for London district. Each battalion had/has a Regimental Sergeant Major. listed at regimental HQ will be another warrant officer WO1 - The Superintending Clerk of the Regiment and one of these would have become when a vacancy fell (every 15 years or so) The Superintending Clerk London District or Brigade of Guards. Whilst unsuccessfully looking to see if I could put a name to this appointment during WW2 I noticed with horror that not all military information given out to the public is checked, At least two articles, one on the BFBS site and another on the Army information site - stated the Garrison Sergeant Major (GSM Billy Mott)London District is the senior warrant officer of the British army. He is not of course, the senior warrant officers were/are the Conductors (Not band!) of Ordnance of the RAOC. (Now Conductors RLC) Followed by the RSM of Artillery, the AcSM Sandhurst, then the GSM London district. Probably put out by a PR company!
     
  8. Recce_Mitch

    Recce_Mitch Very Senior Member

    Diane thanks for adding my Dad and his brother to the list

    Cheers
    Paul
     
  9. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Paul you're very welcome and I'm pleased to have the additions to the Roll.

    -

    Thanks Wills

    Garrison Sergeant-Majors listed on link below including GSM George Stone who served with 1IG in Norway, Tunisia and Italy. Something new to me though - George Howe is listed, my father knew him, and his brother Ben Howe also served with Micks in WW2. They were referred to as the Red one and the Black one.
    Garrison Sergeant Major


    Representing the Grenadier Guards - WO1 (GSM) Tom Taylor MVO MBE who joined in 1943
    Garrison Sergeant Major
    and listed in post no. 17 of this thread; also now updated to include year.
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/392102-post17.html
     
  10. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    It would appear that along with the abolition of the rank of Field Marshal in peacetime the appointment of the senior Warrant Officer in a Guards regiment has also been abolished, in 1995 the last Superintending Clerk of the Household Division was serving with the Irish Guards. Nothing sacred!
     
  11. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Just found your site whilst checking on information for my deceased brother 2614264 Horace Hinton Kay (Known as Danny)
    I have his Paybook (Army Book 64) and Certificate of Service.(Army Form B108) which gives the following details:-
    He was borne in 1914 and joined the 1st battalion Grenadier Guards on 2nd August 1934. He was with the regiment througout the war and retired as RSM on 1st August 1956, whilst stationed at Headquarters, Eastern Command.
    Hope this will help someone to fill in a few gaps. Happy to supply any other information I have, if required.
    Regards
    Kayball

    Peter you might find this linked thread of interest as I have transcribed the War Diary for the 1st Bn in 1940

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/brigade-guards/28666-war-diary-1st-battalion-grenadier-guards-bef-sep-1939-jun.html

    Thanks for the PM, I have sent a reply.
    Regards,
    Diane
     
  12. Mick S

    Mick S Junior Member

    Hi

    A few more Grenadiers for you.

    5880532 Thomas William Simpson 3rd Bn GG pre war(Origionally Northamptoshire Regt).
    22213112 Thomas Lewis Simpson 3rd Bn GG post war 40/50s.
    22955424 John E Simpson 1st Bn GG Kings Coy Post war 50s.
    2611460 Jack Bodfish Pre war and called back up for the war.
    2616290 Dennis William George Bodfish. Joined 1939 Duration of war.

    They are all related (distant) to 2624294 Cecil George Bodfish who you already have.

    I am currently abroad so do not have all their information with me at the moment.

    Rgds Mick S
     
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  13. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Cheers Mick appreciate that, def. a family affair.
     
  14. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Just found your site whilst checking on information for my deceased brother 2614264 Horace Hinton Kay (Known as Danny)
    I have his Paybook (Army Book 64) and Certificate of Service.(Army Form B108) which gives the following details:-
    He was borne in 1914 and joined the 1st battalion Grenadier Guards on 2nd August 1934. He was with the regiment througout the war and retired as RSM on 1st August 1956, whilst stationed at Headquarters, Eastern Command.
    Hope this will help someone to fill in a few gaps. Happy to supply any other information I have, if required.
    Regards
    Kayball

    Thanks to Peter for sharing the information and photos about his older brother Danny. Really appreciated.

    :poppy:

    Wonderful portrait of him with the pipe Peter - de rigueur for a dashing chap in those days.


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  15. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    The top picture (with pipe)of RSM Kay is when he was a Colour Sergeant, the lower - now this is where things are peculiar to the Guards. He is wearing the Tunic arm rank of a Company Sergeant Major and by rank he is a WOII yet there is a giveaway, he is wearing a Warrant Officers sword. Never drawn only the Sergeant Major draws his sword on the troop escort.This marks him out as a Drill Sergeant, senior by appointment to a Company Sergeant Major! Below 1) RSM (2) Drill Sgt/CSM IG (3) CG (4) GG Colour Sgt - Colour Sgts' in the Guards are addressed as Sir. The Drill Sergeants (2 per Bn) along with the Sergeant Major wear Sam Browne's when in No 2 dress Or No1 dress. The photograph of DSgt Kay above is rare in that I cannot recall a DSgt without his pace stick! Regimental Sergeant Majors of the Guards serving ERE (extra regimentally employed) wear the line regiment smaller RSM badge on the lower arm, only depot.academy,battalion or garrison Sergeants Majors wear the large badge. A Rank now gone was the Superintending Clerk of the Regiment - the senior warrant officer of the regiment. We had a review of the regiment both battalions and all ERE Scots Guardsmen - recruiters,SAS, instructors all recalled for the parade. Two Battalion Sergeant Majors, wearing forage caps to mark them out and because god - The Superintending Clerk was on parade he was in bearskin. Funny old family ain't we?
     

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  16. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Wills
    Thanks for the explanation, much obliged.
     
  17. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    47744_460997443012_727713012_6412528_5744181_n.jpg Colour Sergeant - just a tad before my time- A Hairy Jock - the Pioneer Colour Sergeant- still beared today'

    imagesCA25J769.jpg The first Sergeant Major Irish Guards



    The photograph of Colour Sergeant Kay (above) below the Grenadier Guards shoulder title he is wearing 'Gladeye' the divisional sign of Guards Armoured Division.


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  18. Kayball

    Kayball Junior Member

    Thank you Wills for your detailed explanation. Why are these ranks so confusing for a retired Chief Technician of the Royal Air Force?
    Details in Danny's Pay Book also add to the confusion, giving promotion to RQMS commencing 28/8/1945 and promotion to "U&P/A/WO1 (RSM) on 1/10/51.
    I assume this translates to Acting Unpaid WO1. To add further to this documented mess, a different page entry, dated 1/4/1952 states "Promoted Substansive WO11 Relinquishes WS WO11. Retains Acting Rank WO1 (RSM). A typical admin error occurs on his posting to Kneller Hall which, according to the entry occured on 30 February 1947, as RQMS.
    Regarding the sword, I have a similar picture taken at Kneller Hall with the Commandant and entourage when his sword has a plume of white feathers on the pummel. Is this significant? Thanks Both of you for all your help
     
  19. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    RQMS Kneller Hall - Regimental Quartermaster Sergeant at the School of Military Music. Postings like that were often a 'reward' posting. Away from the battalion set up for awhile. Warrant Officers swords have a white buff leather (blancoed white) sword knot. Relinquished and promoted substantive will of course affect pay scales so some administrative tidying up may have occurred. Record abbreviations seem to change over the years, U&P could be many things Unit and Personnel - WS it might have been WS War substansive promotion ( a hostilities only rank?)


    4795855737_7e2910d12d_o.jpg The Warrant Officer's sword knot


    imagesCALOH1F0.jpg Regimental Quartermaster Sergeant

    Ranks throughout the Guards are universal - appointments can however vary.
    My own Regiment never saluted at the halt, it uses the old custom of naming its companies as Right Flank, 'G' etc and then Left Flank. Soldiers on orders or courts martial uniquely in the army wear headdress and belt, the Jocks believed that removal of these items of his uniform indicated that the system had him down as guilty before the trial!
     
  20. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    To add further to this documented mess, a different page entry, dated 1/4/1952 states "Promoted Substansive WO11 Relinquishes WS WO11. Retains Acting Rank WO1 (RSM).


    WS generally is War Substantive (= for duration of war, as Wills states hostilities), so perhaps this entry was a technical/clerical issue only - ie confirmation of rank.
     

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