Grandfathers Service Record just received am a bit stuck......

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by busta, Jul 11, 2012.

  1. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Is that burned on purpose?

    One year ago 0.7mb was me and it was no joke!
    Very glad to have joined the fibre club

    Yep (I am guessing though). Lots of unit diaries and documents were ordered to be destroyed in May when it was clear that things were going wrong for the BEF. The reason was to stop them from falling into enemy hands.
     
  2. busta

    busta Member

    Yep (I am guessing though). Lots of unit diaries and documents were ordered to be destroyed in May when it was clear that things were going wrong for the BEF. The reason was to stop them from falling into enemy hands.

    Oh I see.
    So you think the previous diaries will be not much use
     
  3. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    They maybe, you never know whats inside them until you look. Bare in mind that all though large parts of the BEF deployed to France in 1939, apart from most Brigades doing a 4 week tour on the Saar Front to get some fighting experience there wasn't any major fighting until after 10th May 1940 when the Germans invaded Holland and Belgium.

    Mike L has sent me a copy of the records via email, I just haven't had time to look at them properly but, if I do get time to look at them I'll put a list together of all his units diaries that are available at the National Archives for you and post them on here.
     
  4. busta

    busta Member

    They maybe, you never know whats inside them until you look. Bare in mind that all though large parts of the BEF deployed to France in 1939, apart from most Brigades doing a 4 week tour on the Saar Front to get some fighting experience there wasn't any major fighting until after 10th May 1940 when the Germans invaded Holland and Belgium.

    Mike L has sent me a copy of the records via email, I just haven't had time to look at them properly but, if I do get time to look at them I'll put a list together of all his units diaries that are available at the National Archives for you and post them on here.

    Thanks Andy:)
     
  5. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

  6. busta

    busta Member

    Hi Busta - how are you getting on with the service record? :)

    This thread might help regarding the abbreviation L.I.A.P.

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/general/29512-python-lilop-leave.html

    If you have any specific questions just ask, we'll do what we can to help.

    Not had time to go over it properly yet Rosy.

    Had wondered what the the L.I.A.P and Python stamp meant so many thanks for clearing that up!

    I'm sure I will have many questions I need help with in the very near future:rolleyes:
     
  7. busta

    busta Member

    Sorry, not CSM but SSM (Squadron Sgt Major).
    Noted one entry of interest to me (LCTs are my particular interest) on page 2. 19/6/42 embarked for Iraq on craft 466 Serial 1832(?) 466 would be a Mk3 LCT, seems a bit early for a Mk3, will look into it. Early Mk3s were 400 series, later ones 7000 series. Might give some info on convoy etc.

    Found some pics of the 466

    THE ROYAL NAVY DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR | Imperial War Museums

    Would this have been towed by a larger ship or would he have set on sail on this to join up with a ship an continue the journey?
     
  8. busta

    busta Member

  9. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Hi Busta,
    ‘19/6/42 embarked for Iraq on craft 466 Serial 1832(?) 466 would be a Mk3 LCT, seems a bit early for a Mk3.’

    I have also found those IWM photos of LCT 466, great aren’t they?, but unfortunately the dates don’t tie up.
    From the uboat.net link (and other sources) LCT 466 wasn’t launched until 1943.
    My Uncle was on LCT 488, hence my interest in LCTs. Link here if you are interested: http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/people-ww2/39792-my-uncle-martin-long-loss-hmlct-488-a.html

    So it appears the reference ‘embarked for Iraq on craft 466 Serial 1832(?)’ does not relate to LCT 466, it is probably a different vessel reference altogether.
    Sorry if that does not help much but perhaps it suggests checking the dates mentioned or perhaps other areas of research.
     
  10. busta

    busta Member

    Hi Busta,
    ‘19/6/42 embarked for Iraq on craft 466 Serial 1832(?) 466 would be a Mk3 LCT, seems a bit early for a Mk3.’

    I have also found those IWM photos of LCT 466, great aren’t they?, but unfortunately the dates don’t tie up.
    From the uboat.net link (and other sources) LCT 466 wasn’t launched until 1943.
    My Uncle was on LCT 488, hence my interest in LCTs. Link here if you are interested: http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/people-ww2/39792-my-uncle-martin-long-loss-hmlct-488-a.html

    So it appears the reference ‘embarked for Iraq on craft 466 Serial 1832(?)’ does not relate to LCT 466, it is probably a different vessel reference altogether.
    Sorry if that does not help much but perhaps it suggests checking the dates mentioned or perhaps other areas of research.

    Thanks Mike,
    Have a had a quick look to see if there it was a 366/266 but doesn't look like.
    So the signals diaries finish in 1940,shame that may have thrown something up
    Not sure where to look next,will go over the records again maybe a date mistake or something like that
     
  11. busta

    busta Member

    Will have a read about your uncle tonight Mike:)
     
  12. busta

    busta Member

    Evacuated BEF 30/5/40 - 4/6/40

    I take it this would be Dunkirk?
     
  13. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Busta,
    Not necessarily Dunkirk, but almost certainly part of the BEF evacuation. Andy (Drew 5233) can probably advise further.
     
  14. busta

    busta Member

    Mmmm...i'm not getting very far:(

    Is GHQ Signals just the same as Royal Signals?
     
  15. busta

    busta Member

    Busta,
    Not necessarily Dunkirk, but almost certainly part of the BEF evacuation. Andy (Drew 5233) can probably advise further.

    It says 1st Corps next to disembarked France 30/5/40 on another sheet?
     
  16. WGWright

    WGWright Older Member

    Tom Canning, What is the badge of the fist on black background?
    I have a badge like that in my Dad's army photo album.
    WGW
     
  17. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

  18. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    If someone lists the units and dates in chrono order I'll go through them and tell you what diaries are available and the dates they cover. Something like this:

    GHQ Signals Sept 39-Jan 40
    I Corps Signals Mar 40 - Jun 40
    Etc etc etc
     
  19. busta

    busta Member

    If someone lists the units and dates in chrono order I'll go through them and tell you what diaries are available and the dates they cover. Something like this:

    GHQ Signals Sept 39-Jan 40
    I Corps Signals Mar 40 - Jun 40
    Etc etc etc

    Thanks Andy,will have a go a making a list
     
  20. busta

    busta Member

    sept 39 - june 40 says I corps signals on one sheet another sheet has 2 corps signals same dates:huh:

    I have put them in a pdf if it's easier for anyone to have a look and help me out

    The smaller file is a sheet that has a lot of unit info but is a bit mumbo jumbo to me:rolleyes:
     

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