Grandad's service records have arrived :-)

someone who works from a seated position buddy....not sure if that helps... admin ? where was he injured (as in his body) ? may be a case of due to injuries he was put onto what we would call "light duties" in todays world... i cant read all the writing on the images buddy. usually they include a cover sheet with all the definitions on. one thing i will say in comparision to my grandfathers records yours certainly look more filled in (ie more entries). any of his close pals still alive ? most certainly worth speaking with them as i have no doubt he would have confided in them about his experiences over a few pints of course....

Hello Richard

Thanks for that I did get the abbreviations sheet that you mentioned, but there's still loads of stuff on the records that don't mean anything to me! I saw a thread recently about x lists so I'll have to look that up as there's x lists all over the place on these records.
Unfortunately my Grandad passed away in 96 and I don't know of any friends to speak with.

 

Its a shame, but none the less an avenue of investigation which i am sure you could look into, i have no doubt the lads here will decipher what you have posted up. wonder if you could get access to his med records it may cast further light on his injuries, but i am guessing...and i mean guessing that it has been associated with his eyes from what Tom has spotted. may be worth while buying your grandads regiment diary if there is one, as it will give you a feel of what went on or where the regiment had been.

 

Thanks Harry

I wonder what rations and accomodation means, unless it just means a camp?

It means that your Grandad was billeted,ie, "fed and watered" at the RAF Acaster Malbis domestic area of the station.His group would be involved in duties or training,external to RAF Acaster Malbis and to this end would probably have been transported off site each day and returned each night from a location in close proximity to Acaster.There was a large army barracks at Fulford,on the south side of York,On the A19 to Selby and it would not surprise me if this might be that location.Any clue in his personal file?

 

2Eastyorks
forgotten where I spotted the eyesight bit - but it has to be near his initial enlistment form as the initial medical made him A category -well he was warm and moving etc - then shortly afterwards the first (X) label means another sickness / medical at which time the eyesight might have been the cause as it would soon be noticed

Cheers

 

just putting the dates into some sort of order, and was wondering why he would've been attached to the Guards depot (at Caterham?) for approximately a month?

On the 19/06/1945 he was discharged from hospital and posted to what appears to be H&SC -any ideas on what this might be?

Later that year on 28/11/1945 he was posted to Def. Coy HQ 8 Corps - I know that the 2East Yorks formed part of the 8th Infantry Brigade, would that be the same thing?

 

Thanks Owen, this gets more complicated all the time

 

east Yorks
it's not all that complicated as Owen states - the Eastyorks l were in 8th Bde -which was part of Sapper's 3rd Division - now I thought that they were in the 1st Corps commanded by Lt.Gen. Crocker at D Day - so if he was tranferred to the defence company of HQ then that would have been in 1st Corps - just meant that he was kicked upstairs more out of the way.Still get wounded etc though as they weren't all that far back

the H&SC probably meant a week in what we called the concentration camp but was actually a convalescent camp for light duties - rest etc... on discharge from hospital
Cheers

 

Eastyorks - it might help you to know the formation of many units in WW2 starting off with say - the Eastyorks regiment with many Battalions - one battalion might find themselves in a brigade along with two other Battalions - this bde might then go into a Division with two other bdes - then this Division might go into a Corps with two other divisons - and three corps might become an army !
Now in 2nd Army of Gen. Dempsey he had four corps - 1st - 8th - 12th -30th now and again 1st Airborne- whereas Gen Montgomery had sometimes three Armies !
everything was in threes ......usually
Cheers

 

Owen - you get up on the wrong side to-day...?
just wondering....
Cheers

 

He was with VIII Corps POST WAR.

Hi Owen

Yes I know that, I'm just trying to track his movements whilst he was in the Army that's all. I wasn't aware of this posting until his records arrived, hence my question.

 

Aah sorry

Looking at that link it would make sense as Plon appears to be in that area and I know he was there post war. Thanks Owen.

 

Another question - he was admitted to hospital back in Blighty after being wounded in action and was moved to the Y List on the 30/06/1944.

The records show that on 22/07/1944 he was then taken on strength at the 2 ID. Any ideas on what the 2ID was?

He was subsequently on the 08/08/1944 taken on strength for 30 RHU which I believe is a Reinforcement Holding Unit.

 

eastyorks -
you are still looking for stuff that is not there -

the 2ID appears to be part of the war office authority number allocated to that move to RHU as by then he has been re-graded from A1 and thus was to be trained for clerical duties - before re-embarking to join the civil affairs unit in NWE
Cheers

 

Hello Tom,

The reason I asked the question is because 2ID appears in the Unit column of his service and casualty form. All the other entries in that column relate to (on that particular page) the 70th Batt. West Yorks, the 2nd Batt. East Yorks the Y List or the Reinforcement Holding Unit - hence why I'm assuming that 2ID was a Unit of some kind.

Can you tell me where you are seeing the civil affairs unit in relation to his service? I'm trying to trace my Grandad's war to put in a chronological format and I can't see this at all in the records. Is it hidden by jargon?

Thanks

 

Eastyorks -
think I am getting mixed up with another case where a wounded chap was placed in civil affairs - sorry about that - as I said - that 2ID looks like a part of the war office authority number but into the wrong column - if you look below/above that you can see the full authority number- as Tom Jones would say - "It's not unusual "
Cheers

 

Thanks Tom. No doubt there will be more questions along shortly!

What I'm doing is comparing Grandad's records against a regimental history that I have (The East Yorkshire Regt. (Duke Of York's Own) in the War 1939/45 by Lt. Col. P.R. Nightingale), and am hoping to visit the National Archives next month for the War Diaries to put together as comprehensive an account as I possibly can of his movements.

I appreciate your help in helping to decipher his records, as some of the military abbreviations are a complete mystery to me. For instance, 'granted WTPP leave', any idea what WTPP is?!