GOLD Area LTIN-Hull Number matches for US LST

Discussion in 'NW Europe' started by Michel Sabarly, Jul 6, 2014.

  1. I've been trying for a while to progress on finding which actual craft/ships were assigned which Serial or Landing Table Index Numbers (LTINs) on D-Day, and following a post about US LST 359 here:
    GOLD BEACH - Seeking any written/oral/photographed experiences of landing on Gold Beach
    I've had a look at the various docs available on fold3 and elsewhere regarding the US LST assigned to GOLD Area. I'll start with the easiest part: Force G Group 17 (and Groups 11 & 13 as a bonus :)):

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    From ONEAST/G. THREE. - Appendix "B". - Composition and Timetable of Groups - Group Seventeen, 20th May, 1944:

    COMPOSITION
    Sector JIG: LST Serial 2916+, 2917+, 2918+, 2919+, 2920
    Sectir KING: LST Serials 2814+, 2815+, 2816+, 2817, 2818+
    + towing Rhinos

    1 Rescue Craft

    SENIOR OFFICER - Commander 28th L.S.T. Group

    ESCORT - H.H.M.S. "KRIEZIS", H.M.S. "CAMPANULA"

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    From COM LST GR 33 - War Diary, 6/1-30/44:

    LST GROUP 33, FLOTILLA 11
    U.S.S. LST 345, Flagship
    LST-G33/A12-1
    WAR DIARY
    1 July 1944.
    S-E-C-R-E-T


    LST Group 33, Flotilla 11, Eleventh Amphibious Force,
    Atlantic Fleet, is composed of twelve (12) LSTs as follows:
    Division 65 - LSTs 2, 308, 312, 344, 345 and 370; Division
    66 - LSTs 311, 346, 371, 380, 382 and 400; and Division 101
    for administrative control - LSTs 17, 21, 25, 72, 73 and 520.


    LST DIVISIONS 65 and 101
    (...)
    5 June, 1944.
    For Operation "NEPTUNE", Group 17 of Force "G" of the
    Eastern Naval Task Force, is a unit composed of the following
    US LSTs: 345, 344, 308, 312, 370, 17, 21, 72, 73 and 520;
    Escort vessels: H.H.M.S. KREIZIS and H.M.S. CAMPANUAL and
    U.S. Coast Guard Rescue Craft #58. Lieutenant Commander David
    H. ADAMS, USNR, Commander LST Group 33, is Senior Officer (em-
    barked in LST 345).

    All LSTs except US LSTs 308 and 520 have Rhino Ferries
    and Rhino Tugs alongside.
    (...)
    6 June, 1944. (D-Day)
    (...)
    Commanding Officer of LST Division
    101 in LST 21 assumed Command of LSTs 17, 72 and 520, destination
    Jig beach.
    (...)
    LSTs 25 and 264 which had made
    the passage with Groups 11 and 12 were unloaded and anchored in
    the outgoing waiting position.


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    Therefore, because:
    1. the sequence for the first five LST (for KING) is not the numerical sequence,
    2. this sequence nearly matches the LTINs towing or not a Rhino, with the exception of LST 308 (not towing Rhino) being listed one position before its turn,
    3. the SO is usually in the first LTIN of the Group,
    we may assume the following matches for the LST bound for KING Sector (until proven wrong by a photo or else :) ). Bold characters indicate certain matches:
    Div 65, LST Gp 33 - KING:
    2814 - US LST 345 - towing Rhino
    2815 - US LST 344 - towing Rhino
    2816 - US LST 312 - towing Rhino
    2817 - US LST 308
    2818 - US LST 370 - towing Rhino

    For the LST bound for JIG Sector, we can assume that LST 73 not being mentioned as under command of CO LST Div 101 is an oversight or a typo. The sequence given (numerical sequence) also matches the LTIN sequence for Rhino towing ships, and what's more, we already have the confirmed match (from a photograph) LTIN 2917 - LST 21. We would thus have:
    Div 101, LST Gp 33 - JIG:
    2916 - US LST 17 - towing Rhino
    2917 - US LST 21 - towing Rhino
    2918 - US LST 72 - towing Rhino
    2919 - US LST 73 - towing Rhino
    2920 - US LST 520

    Additionally, the mention (last para in War Diary LST Gp 33 above) of LST 25 and 264 must mean that they are the two lone LST LTIN 2190 and 2570 in Groups 11 and 13 respectively (in spite of the typo stating "Group 12" instead of "Group 13": Group 12 had no LST).

    LST 25's War History specifies that on 2 Jun she loaded 21 DUKW ("vehicles including 21 Dwks"). Since LTINs 2190 and 2570 were the only LST loaded with 21 DUKW, LST 25 must be one of them. The date of loading of June 2 or D-3 (with respect to the originally planned D-Day date of 5 Jun) also matches the ONEAST/G orders for these two LTINs.
    Checking the many photos shot on board LST 25 confirms that her load does indeed match that of LTIN 2190 and not that of LTIN 2570. We thus have:
    2190 - US LST 25 (Div 101 att LST Gp 33) - towing Rhino
    2570 - US LST 264 (Div 55 LST Gp 28) - towing Rhino

    Notes:
    a. We can see that the respective roles of LST Groups 28 and 33 have been exchanged: in ONEAST/G3, LST Group 28 was initially assigned to Group 17 and LST Group 33 to Group 18, but the War Diaries and at least one photo prove that in the event the reverse took place.
    b. in ONEAST/G. FOUR - Part III. App. "C" - Detailed Orders for Groups on KING Sector - Group Thirteen of 20th May, 1944, LTIN 2190 was given as "L.S.T. 52" [Div 55 LST Gp 28]. Either this is a typo for "L.S.T. 25", or (more probably) the two ships were exchanged, possibly following the exchange of their respective LST Groups.

    Force G Group 18 is unfortunately not as clear, because I could not find any docs for US LST Group 28 at all, and the various other docs for US LST Group 11, LST Flotillas or individual ships are either missing or not precise enough :(. Any info would be most welcome!

    More later...

    Michel
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2019
  2. AdamEdward

    AdamEdward Member

    Hi, have you access to JIG Sector manifests for 6/6 or 7/6 showing any Flails of 79th Armoured Division on board ?
    I ask because my Dad was B Sqn,Westminster Dragoons and spoke of American crew on his vessel He may not have been on the first wave in RN LCTs Regards Adam
     

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