Discussion in 'General' started by Douggie, Mar 31, 2015.

  1. Douggie

    Douggie Member

    Trying to get some info on my father around 1943 when I was born. We lived in Harringay (n.e. London) and I know he spent a fair bit of time in the glasshouse (he was an alcoholic Scot). Can anybody tell me where he may have been stationed and what leave, if any, he would have been given to visit his wife and baby at around that time? And also if his wife (my mother) would have contributed to the war effort in any way given that she had a young baby.
  2. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Douggie, the only way that you're really going to get any definite info is by applying for his service records. He could have been anywhere...pure luck of the draw.

    If your parents married during wartime, her occupation at marriage may give you a clue. Did she evacuate with you when the flying bomb attacks began ?
  3. Bernard85

    Bernard85 WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    good day was never in the glass house.but use to hear story's(dont know if they were true)it was not a great place to be,and i dont think he ever got was a servicemens prison.hope you find the information you are looking for.regards bernard85
  4. Lotus7

    Lotus7 Well-Known Member

    Hi Douggie welcome to the forum, there was a thread called, The Glass House in WW2 around March 2010 if your interested, it may not help. As advised only his army records we help. Hope your able to get them and post them on here.
    Good luck

  5. Drayton

    Drayton Senior Member

    "Glasshouse" is a potentially ambiguous word. Used strictly, it refers to a military detention centre, where detainees serve sentences for comparatively serious offences passed by court-martial. It is sometimes used loosely to include being confined to the base guardroom for minor offences, such as being late on parade or not smartly turned out.

    As to visiting family, if he was stationed long term within reasonable distance of his home, there would probably have been some opportunities for visiting, and even staying overnight, Without better particulars it is impossible to say more than that.

    As to your mother, as a woman responsible for the care of a child under age 14 she would have been wholly exempt from compulsion to any form of work. She could voluntarily have found some work, provided she could make arrangements for child care. There were state-sponsored day nurseries to facilitate this, but whether there would have been one convenient for her, and a place for the child, who knows?
  6. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    To add to Drayton's comments above:
    As far as I am aware the 'original' Glasshouse was the Military prison in Colchester Barracks, Essex. However the term 'glasshouse' seems to have been widely used for any form of disciplinary detention.
  7. Douggie

    Douggie Member

    Hi Rich, thanks for reply. Will try applying for records. I was born in 1943, so don't have much idea of what took place in later war years.
  8. Douggie

    Douggie Member

    thanks for info Bernard85.
  9. Douggie

    Douggie Member

    Thanks for your help Bernard85
  10. Douggie

    Douggie Member

    Hi Lotus7. thanks for your help. As a Lotus fan you may be interested to know that I worked for Lotus when I was 15 years old building Lotus 7 kit cars when they were at Tottenham Lane, Hornsey.
  11. Lotus7

    Lotus7 Well-Known Member

    Hi Doggie, an interesting thread from my point of view , my Father was once confined to Barracks, although he referred to his time as doing Jankers. I know it's going of subject but, yes I've been a life long fan and Lotus enthusiast, do you remember any names of the people you worked with there?
  12. redtop

    redtop Well-Known Member

    I believe the original Glasshouse was in Aldershot (Long Demolished) so called because it had a glass covered courtyard/exercise area.
  13. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    For the British,Colchester was always recognised as the military detention centre during WW2.The RAF detention centre was at Sheffield,which also served as the RAF Aircrew Disciplinary Centre...LMF(never subject to courts martial) and and wide range of serious offences.

    However,postwar,RAF personnel found guilty of serious offences were incarcerated in the Army detention centre at Colchester.

    As regards the RAF.minor offences were punished by "confined to barracks", ie,"jankers" for a number of days,minimum appeared to be three which required the defaulter to report to the guardroom at 1830 in working blue after completion of the normal working day and tea.....sundry duties would be detailed up to 2200 hrs.Then at 0600,the defaulter had to report at the guardroom for duties until 0800.. sundry early morning call for defaulters which was usually undertaken by an airman on fire piquet duty.The requirement to report to the guardroom meant that the defaulter's turn out was inspected twice each day by the RAF Police....further charges could follow if a defaulter was assessed as displaying a shortfall in turnout standards.

    The military detention centre for US Forces in Britain during WW2 was at Shepton Mallet in Somerset.As well as detention sentences,capital punishment was also carried
  14. Douggie

    Douggie Member

    Lotus7 - Yes, worked with John Hill (works manager?); a tall skinny guy called Peter (general workshop);and the company manager at that time I think was Roy something. The turner was a South African. I can remember being taken on a road test of a Mark 10 (two seater) by, I think it was Graham Hill. I was given a leather WW2 flying hat to wear in case of accidents. We went round part of the North Circular and reached 120mph, Graham complaining he couldn't get into top. He also mentioned that the brakes were dodgy. Stayed with Lotus when they moved to Cheshunt and at the age of 16 !! gave in my notice and left despite a personal offer from Colin Chapman of a 50 pound bonus (I was getting 3 pounds 10 a week) and being given a place in the racing team (Monaco, Brazil, Italy etc. etc.) - but I left to work in a car yard cleaning cars !*!!** Life is full of regrets.
  15. Douggie

    Douggie Member

    Hi Harry, Thanks for your detailed reply. I'm trying to find out if my father was ever overseas, but have no living relatives to help me. Would like to get hold of my father's war records - do you know the easiest way of doing this?
  16. Douggie

    Douggie Member

    Hi Redtop. Thanks for your help.
  17. Douggie

    Douggie Member

    Hi Drayton,
    Thanks for your detailed reply - very helpful.
  18. Lotus7

    Lotus7 Well-Known Member

    Hi Douggie, it will cost £30. to get his full records. You will need as much info as you can provide when you apply. It really is worth it,as
    the information you can then obtain is fantastic.
    Will PM you later (when I got a mo)
  19. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    The Military Corrective Training Centre was indeed at Colchester in the 1960s, and probably before that. But the military prison (or perhaps a military prison) was at Shepton Mallet well before that period. I would guess that in wartime, such establishments were to be found in all major theatres.

    And the term 'glasshouse' is indeed ambiguous;it can be used to describe buildings made mainly of glass and used for the cultivation of plants!!


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