German training?

Discussion in 'Axis Units' started by EvertonRock, Oct 2, 2007.

  1. EvertonRock

    EvertonRock Junior Member

    I dont have a book on this part of the German Army, could anyone tell me how well did the German infantry Divisions trained during the pre-world war period from 1938-1939? What were their daily routines and such? And how good was the German rationing then?

    Sorry if im asking too much :p
     
  2. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    I can tell you the principle instructor of Infantry for the German Army was none other than ERWIN ROMMEL, who had been asked to lecture on this subject. His "Pour-le-Merite" from 1917 on the Italian Front made him very suitable as a candidate to teach infantry tactics.....and Rommel himself had published a book on this very subject which was widely read throughout the western world, (said to have been Patton's bedside book)......"INFANTERIE GREIFTAN" ("Infantry Attacks") was not only a tactcal manual, but centered it's thesis around tactical 'problems', ten of them, that Rommel presents in the book,, along with solutions, for the use of staff trainers and NCOs in training....The book established Rommel's reputation as an Infantry Officer 'par-excellance'.....It must be noted that the methods for training infantry are divided into two schools of thought....
    First is the Geman method , based principally on Rommel's teaching and the themes presented in his book, and were a varition and improvement on the 'Stosstruppen' infiltration style infantry tactics of the First World War....German training emphasised not only limited group solutions to each problem presented, but also that any 'solution' should be implemented as quickly as possible. Operational experiance subsequently showed that every hour allowed to the defence made that defence all that much stronger with each passing hour of undisturbed entrenchment....The Soviets were particularly adept at digging in quickly, and shutting down mobility on that a particular section of the front, until it was restored by the arrival of the more 'mobile' elements. It also meant that sometimes, confusion from quick order chains of command resulted in tactical confusion that cost lives in some cases, to friendly as well as enemy fire...but....the German Army had the fastest method for adapting their tactics and changing their operational orders 'mid-stream', frequently within twenty to thirty minutes of the solution being hit upon....

    Contrast this to the British, or 'Sandhurst' method of Infantry instruction, wich emphasises tactical disscussion in the same manner, but also makes sure all the elements of the battle are 'in-place' before orders are given or contravened....Sandhurst solutions to tactical problems were not given time limits, and produce Generals with Montgomery's ideas of a "tidy' battlefield....

    Thats it for the theory....the actual methods used will await another thread....

    CHRISTOS
     
  3. also watch this vid to get an idea of german infantry tactics. some of the information which are given are wrong (technical weapon data of the mp40 for example) but they managed to describe the idea of the wehrmacht infantry pretty well. also its good footage.

    video provides footage of:

    - wehrmacht (infantry) in general
    - different weapons in particular (rifles, mines, mortars...)



    YouTube - Infantry Fire Power 1/5 German Infantry Tactics of WW-II
    YouTube - Infantry Fire Power 2/5 German Infantry Tactics of WW-II
    YouTube - Infantry Fire Power 3/5 German Infantry Tactics of WW-II
    YouTube - Infantry Fire Power 4/5 German Infantry Tactics of WW-II
    YouTube - Infantry Fire Power 5/5 German Infantry Tactics of WW-II
     
  4. John Lawson

    John Lawson Arte et Marte

    Hello,

    Ive been looking at the Panzer Lehr Division and in their ORBAT there is

    Panzergrenadier-Lehr-Regiment 901
    I. (Grenadier-) Bataillon
    II. (Panzergrenadier-) Bataillon
    III. (Panzerjäger-) Bataillon

    What is the difference between the 3 types of infantry? and how were they used/deployed?
     
  5. steelers708

    steelers708 Junior Member

    Hello,

    Ive been looking at the Panzer Lehr Division and in their ORBAT there is

    Panzergrenadier-Lehr-Regiment 901
    I. (Grenadier-) Bataillon
    II. (Panzergrenadier-) Bataillon
    III. (Panzerjäger-) Bataillon

    What is the difference between the 3 types of infantry? and how were they used/deployed?

    A Grenadier battalion is normally just your run of the mill infantry battalion that you will find in any infantry division, although in this case the Grenadier Regt was motorized(mot).

    A Panzergrenadier battalion is an Armoured Infantry battalion, that is they go into battle and are equipped with either Sdkfz 251 H/T's or Lastkraftwagen(LKW) or lorries in English. Normally a battalion or Company equipped with H/T's will have (gep) after it's designation e.g. II panzergrenadier Battalion(gep) and a lorried unit will have (mot) after it's designation. (gep) is short for Gepanzerter or Armoured and (mot) is just short for motorized.

    A panzerjager unit is not an infantry unit but is an anti-tank unit. A battalion would usually have a mix of towed(mot) guns and self propelled(Sfl) guns e.g Marder's or StuG III's.

    The organization above is actually that of Lehr-Regiment 901 (mot), this was an ad-hoc unit put together in Dec 1942 when the Italian troops on the Don were overrun in the Soviet offensive that led to the Stalingrad disaster and urgent reinforcements were needed. After heavy fighting the unit handed all of it's equipment over to the 19th Pz division and was sent home for refitting. In March 1943 the unit was renamed as Panzergrenadier Versuchs Regiment 901. When the Pz Lehr division was being formed in early 1944 the unit was once again renamed for the last time when it became Panzergrenadier Lehr Regiment 901. At the time of the Normandy landings the Pz Lehr division was the most powerful armoured division in the German army. Unlike normal Heer and Waffen SS Pz divisions not only were both Pzgrenadier Regiments armoured(gep) but both Battalions in each Regt were armoured(gep).
     
  6. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    'Sandhurst' method of infantry instruction!' Minor tactics maybe, but at higher command levels the British army used Staff Colleges, Camberley where officers selected for future command studied, Montgomery did and attained psc (passed staff college) Later he became DAAG Camberley and Colonel Staff College Quetta (India). In 1930 Montgomery re-wrote, for the War Office the Manual of Infantry Training. His continual training of his commands paid off, at Dunkirk he carried out an extremely difficult manoeuvre, turning his division through another to secure the Belgian border, all carried out at night in blackout. Again at El Alemien when he realsied that is armour commanders were not carrying out his orders he switched to any infantry battle. changing the momentum which carried the day.
     
  7. John Lawson

    John Lawson Arte et Marte

    Nice one Steelers708 concise, informative and interesting. I wish I could communicate as well.

    Cheers

    John
     

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