German medal identification

Discussion in 'WW2 Militaria' started by danescott, Jan 2, 2016.

  1. danescott

    danescott Member

    Hi Everyone. Thought this was best place to post this question.
    I have a German veterans medal ( i think ) , attached to ribbon but i know nothing about the medal & what it was awarded for.
    Can someone explain to me , photo attached.
    Thanks in advance
     

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  2. RCG

    RCG Senior Member, Deceased

    Hi danescott

    Tricky one.
    Can you confirm the words on the medal are?

    Verein ehemal Uoffz 04 vagojnert.

    Verin ehemal have tried various combinations and it seems to mean union or association.

    If uoffz is the shortened version of Unteroffizier Which is a military rank of the Bundeswehr and of former German-speaking armed forces (Heer and Luftwaffe). The equivalent in anglophone armed forces is sergeant or staff sergeant. However, Unteroffizier is also the collective name for all non-commissioned officers.

    then the rest maybe the mans name.

    Now the Ribbon the only one I could find that is the same, is for Marine-Brigade 1920 Wilhelmshaven
    So am thinking that the medal was issued for this incident in 1920.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinebrigade_Ehrhardt
     
  3. danescott

    danescott Member

    Thanks RCG. There is a difference to the wording after uoffz 04 , it reads MAGDJNERT.
    The medal rear reads. MIT GOTT FURKAISER & REICH.

    Also the ribbon rear is suspended with a brooch like needle attachment which is numbered.
     
  4. HA96

    HA96 Member

    Mit Gott für Kaiser und Reich sound more like WW1.
    Stefan.
     
  5. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    I'm quite sure it reads
    I'm only guessing but I think that would be "Verein ehemaliger Unteroffiziere des 4. Magdeburger Infanterie-Regiments 67" (association of the former non-coms of the 4th Magdeburg inf rgt 67) Since I couldn't find anything on the internet either I've asked a friend who knows a lot about medals (albeit WW2, and this isn't). Will let you know if he knows anything.
     
  6. RCG

    RCG Senior Member, Deceased

    Heimbrent that sounds good, as it also accounts for the 67.

    MIT GOTT FURKAISER & REICH.
    translated to English it means With God For Kaiser and Reich.

    As the medal looks to be gold plated or gold painted, this raises the question is it a genuine medal or a film prop?
    used in this 1916 film.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_Gott_für_Kaiser_und_Reich

    At the heart of the history of imperial Major Hess are with his family and his aide, Lieutenant Falk. Both officers have to say goodbye to their families as they are put to a use to the Russian front line of battle. While the men wanted to fight for honor and glory, the folks back home to help each other; so the majoress takes the mother of the young Falk to live with him.

    In the following scenes impressions of skirmishes and inserts the cavalry demonstrated by assaults and the arrest Tsarist infantry. Multiple is also hunting for female spies and their fixing in the action happening. After some time on the front lines, in which Hess and Falk have proved to be brave heroes, both victorious return back to his wife, daughter and mother. The reception by the family and several war veterans will be held with great jubilation. With the engagement of Lieutenant Falk and Klara Hess the story finds its happy ending.
     
  7. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I asked Rob Schaefer on Facebook & he replied with

    Not a medal as such. Membership badge of the association of former NCO's of IR67. This is pre-ww1. Dated to about 1875 - 1890
     
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  8. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    The 4. Magdeburgische Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 67 was founded in 1860 and stationed in Metz (according to this site).
    Edit: see also the following Wikipedia entry and this site.
     
  9. RCG

    RCG Senior Member, Deceased

    That's another mystery sorted in less than 24hrs :biggrin:
     
  10. HA96

    HA96 Member

    Correct, it is some kind of a recognition cross for reservists of WW1, no official award.

    Stefan.
     
  11. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    I think that you find that the Verein or association, issued the commemorative medal for members.
    There are many ex military Vereins, usually started by members of a particular battalion or a Regiment.

    Regards
    Tom
     

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