There is a German run forum called Feldpost Community.The contrubutors seem to be very pro National Socialists and seem to glorify in the Third Reich,and many posts are in denial that the Holocaust and other atrocities carried out by the German military in WW2 ever took place.It appears to me that this forum is trying to convince people that the allies faked all the films and photographs to give Germany a bad name.If you try and post films or pictures of the liberation of the death camps by the Allies the administrator will delete them,and if you try to put them on again they will block you.Please can the members of this forum take a look at the German site to see what you think about it.Your comments would be very much appreciated.The forum is on Facebook.
good day bob wilton.j.m.today.01:50am.re:german forum called feldpost community.wake up young man.the germans allways denie being a nazy,they never ever knew what went on in the death camps,they are bloody liars.and futher more they would.given half a chance.do it all again.never trust a krawt,a good nazy is a dead nazy.best regards bernard85
What I think, is that the internet is full of much strangeness, and that I could link you to a hundred such sites or pages. But I also think, that we're not really a platform for stirring up wasp's nests. Because when you mention them directly, they will come, leading to dealing with denialist nonsense rather than getting on with chatting about more interesting or useful stuff. Happy to deal with 'em when they do roll up, but would rather not invite them. Report to Friendface, or just look away - they'll pop up again whatever happens. See YouTube or any other system for a similar slew of Muppets - it's the internet. And, Bernard, There are German members here along with people who have German friends, spouses, partners, heritage etc. etc. You're obviously entitled to your opinions, mate - but keep ' em to yourself when they spill over into direct abuse of some innocent denizens here. I have many German mates, and am reasonably sure none of them has ever filled a mass grave...
Bob as vP states the internet is full of this sort of stuff and best steer clear of it.Members on this forum know exactly the type of sites that are out there.I would suggest just be aware and don't drag yourself in to their arena. I use the "we" run a tight ship here figure headed by vP and the admin team.When the odd strange one turns up they are welcomed as is everyone but like a fruit pastille in the mouth they (denial member) cant resist and soon start chewing away. So 1 A denial joins (we don't know this at the time) and starts a thread or comments on a current thread. 2 They are Welcomed 3 A read between the line denial comment is made by the new member 4 Forum members join in 5 Thread goes toxic based on the denial comment 6 The denial member leaves 7 Bugger all gained 8 Thread either closed or left open 9 If left open go back to point 1 The above works both ways on the internet Regards Clive
I have many German friends and go to Germany quite often,twice this year actually in the Rhineland.These friends were brought up in Western Germany and find what their country did repulsive.This forum is run from the old East Germany where the Germans were brought up in a communist state.These same people are neo Nazi's and are using Facebook to promote it .I am not a kid myself but,an old aged pensioner and an ex soldier so I know what I am talking about.
As a kraut-mick I'm well used to being tarred with the same brush as some of the eejits I share this world with: it's the way the knee-jerk part of human nature works. My outlook now is rather dull I'm afraid - If some people believe and support the idea that everyone of German blood is a rabid nazi waiting for their next chance, well, there's no stopping that kind of slap in the face of logic. Their problem. As for the original post - Bob my immediate reaction to it was: what a shame your first one on the forum had to be about that. “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” It's hard to keep to that, believe me I know from experience, but sometimes it just makes more sense. As VP says, report them to the host and/or move on. The truth is also 'out there'. And on here. Hope you'll add to it.
Hi DBF,As I said I have many German friends in Germany who come from all walks of life and we all get on very well together.A new friend whom I met in Berlin in May this year turned out to be a contributor to the forum,so I deleted him and his girlfriend from my friends list.I blame Facebook for giving these neo Nazi's a platform to promote their poison.
But you might as well blame the telephone, Bob. It's all just comms, and some sites are so vast now it's nearly impossible to spot everything, even without the exceptionally tricky arena of freedom of speech. liberties etc. being part of their equation. I and others chase off neos etc. here - it being our little toyshop we can set the local rules - but it must be so much harder for the big boys, particularly when you throw in assorted laws and variances thereof country by country. Not easy at all.. I mentioned Youtube, as I regard much of it as a cess pit of unpleasantness, but I still watch videos on it. It's a medium more than a stated position that can be held wholly responsible for it's content, much like all the other massive soshul meeja sites.
No explanation required Bob. The earlier section of my response was not directed at your post. I don't belong to f/b or similar, my choice, def not my scene... but the thing about blaming the host - the pitfalls of offering a platform to all-comers - is that we get our share of idiots here too. Not our fault. The forum gets rid of as soon as they show their true colours and/or if they are reported...
Adam You are doing very well today, way up to your usual standard, on interesting words! I thought I was pretty well read but still had to look up 'denizens'....and now 'soshul meeja' but that one doesn't seem to be in the dictionary. Kind regards Gloria Smorning.........pmsl
I sometimes find it tricky, when posting, to decide whether or not I am on the "right" thread to make what I consider is a pertinent comment. As in this case, when the thread seemed to have developed into a Fawty Towers type of "let's not be beastly to the Germans" and young Bernard is severely knuckle rapped for making fairly pithy remarks concerning anyone calling himself a German. I write, not in this case anyway, to defend Bernard, he is after all old enough to defend himself, but to merely to offer my own thoughts on the subject. As some of you may remember, in 2012 I paid a visit to Durnbach in Germany to pay my respects at my late brother Jack's grave site. I had not been back to Germany since 1945 and I was pleased at the time to have my wife alongside me despite her understandable bitterness towards Germany and her previous reluctance to visit neighbouring Austria where I had also been stationed. I found my return to Germany strange in many ways but I honestly felt no animosity whatsoever to any one I met, working on the premise that nearly everyone I met on the trip was too young to have participated in the ghastly horrors of wartime Germany. The rather odd exception was at breakfast one morning when there was someone of a similar age group to myself dining alone and I found myself wondering what, if any, wartime monstrosities he might have been guilty of ! After returning home, I came across a striking poem, written by Jeremy Robson that seemed to echo exactly my own thoughts on the subject and I offer it again for your consideration. Vigil by Jeremy Robson I don't accuse, Am on my guard, that's all. I won't forget they tried To wipe my broken people from the earth- no, not them, of course, too young, their fathers or their fathers' fathers-not even them, perhaps. Be fair. They might who knows, have been among those righteous brave who in reaching out their hands sealed their own fate, or simply those who turned away, afraid. Perhaps. Impossible to conceive the fear, the shadows of the night, the bootsteps on the stair. Now a lifetime later, alone beneath the Bahnhoffs amber lights, incessant rain machine-gunning the roofs grim glass, I tell myself the hordes I watch there, fighting their way towards the waiting trains-achtung-late for work or hurrying home, that they could not themselves have heard the shots, the muzzled cries, the dogs, the clank, clank, clank of the nightrnare trucks departing on cue for their one way journey to Hell (from which of these Platforms I wonder-one ,two?) and that looking back aghast, perhaps, at those black Wagnerian scenes, history to them, however obscene, that they, contrite perhaps, would wash their hands in innocence at night- not like some demented Lady Macbeth, scrub scrub scrubbing to expunge the dead, as those accursed others should. Sins of the fathers heavy on their head. Be fair. And yet, and yet.. It's seventy years since That war began, but if I, a Jew, scion Of that haunted race, forget, who will remember, and if none remembers, the dead are truly dead. I don't accuse, Am on my guard, that's all.
Hi Ron,I have heard of you many times before.I am a WW2 Bomber Command researcher and have read many of your posts.My brother in laws dad died with RAF 166 Squadron over Berlin.I went to Durnbach in May to take some photographs of RAF grave markers.I also served in 6th Armoured but many years after you.
Well I for one am glad to have been told about what kind of racial flaws I exhibit, and I will hasten to pass this on to my 3-year old daughter, who as a German/Italian can (once she's old enough to understand it) then feel bad for not only being guilty of the Holocaust, but also of the ill-treatment of the Senussi and Ethiopians at the hands of Il Duce's troops. It's like 'buy one, get one guilt issue free'. Forever grateful. No, really. All the best Andreas
Bob Welcome aboard ! Go to the main PORTAL and use the search box to key in 166 Squadron or simply Bomber Command. Much to be found on this site to interest you as a Bomber Command researcher. Ron
It's an oft-visited theme but most mentions of it still genuinely perplex me. "Sins of the fathers" does not and never has weighed heavy on my shoulders. I've never understood the invocation in this type of context (whether it's suggested or self-imposed), of a concept grounded in bibles most often drawn from one of the perspectives within those scriptures. It’s my understanding that the term covers either the keeping/breaking of a covenant of faith with God (yes, later generations are born guilty - to the third or fourth generation, see Exodus) or criminal/legal matters (no, the guilt remains solely with the perpetrator, see Ezekiel).
Ron Thanks a lot for posting this. That would sum up my feelings on the matter too, even though I am neither Jewish, nor have been in the war. All the best Andreas
Hi Ron & Andreas, I have done some research for the RAF 166 Squadron Home Page in Canada,and also for the German Internet site called Das online Gedenkbuch. Its well worth a look! Das Online – Gedenkbuch - Weltkriegsopfer.de www.weltkriegsopfer.de/grabsuche/soldatenliste.php?... Similar Translate this page A description for this result is not available because of this site's robots.txt – learn more.
