German Flying Saucers (Nazi UFOS)

They used a few according to what i've heard, those few which they used are supposedly responsible for the famous "Foo Fighter" sightings.

 

Wow Panzerfaust, those are some pretty intense photos. You know they never have explained the foo fighters. That picture might be a clue but it still seems too fantastic. But, like they say truth can be stranger than fiction, who knows?

 

It's also interesting that one of the "saucers" has a triangular shape to it. The pilots often reported two types, your standard run of the mill military grade saucer shaped UFO and the triangluar shaped foo fighter. I have never been much of a UFOlogist but it is an interesting subject nonetheless.

There is an old saying, there's no smoke without a fire. What that means is that with all the hooplah over a given subject, it usually has some kind of substance, whether it is what you expect or interpret from the hooplah or not.

 

For the record, Ernst Zundel is many things, but he is NOT a scientist. He's a photo-retoucher by profession, and his materials on the chemistry of Auschwitz have been effectively debunked by people with degrees in the subject. In addition, Zundel has admitted that his UFO stuff is purely to gain attention to his neo-Nazi causes, which include that classic book, "The Hitler We Loved and Why."

 

The German Scientist Andreas Epp was given credit for the idea of a saucer shaped aircraft during WW2. There's a whole definition in an online encyclopdia about "Military Flying Saucers": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_flying_saucers

 

For the record, Ernst Zundel is many things, but he is NOT a scientist. He's a photo-retoucher by profession, and his materials on the chemistry of Auschwitz have been effectively debunked by people with degrees in the subject. In addition, Zundel has admitted that his UFO stuff is purely to gain attention to his neo-Nazi causes, which include that classic book, "The Hitler We Loved and Why."
Ok, so he's a crackpot and an idiot. Not hard to accept, the world is full of them. But, how do you then deal with foo fighters? They are not a part of anyone's conspiracy or agenda. Too many references from reputable pilots and crews. You can't simply group all that has been written about this subject and many of the photos that didn't come from this Zundel dude. Not all I have seen on the subject (which is pretty limited because I tend to be a bit of a skeptic) are pro-Nazi. Do you let DAs like this guy discredit the rest?

 

Yeah, how do you explain the Foo Fighters? I am not completely crazy when I talk about this subject. The thing i don't understand is why do people always dismiss these ideas without taking enough time to look into it. It's true that there might not be a lot of hard solid evidence around, but you can't dismiss what so many people have claimed to see. The people who have said they have worked on Project Silverbug weren't lunitics, nor were any scientists who have said they worked on flying saucer type aircraft, except for those very few like Ernst Zundel.

This is one of the most famous alleged Foo Fighters pictures:

TACHIKAWA-KAWASAKI KI-36 FIGHTERS
AS SEEN WITH FOO FIGHTER "BOGIES."

 

Yeah, how do you explain the Foo Fighters? I am not completely crazy when I talk about this subject. The thing i don't understand is why do people always dismiss these ideas without taking enough time to look into it. It's true that there might not be a lot of hard solid evidence around, but you can't dismiss what so many people have claimed to see. The people who have said they have worked on Project Silverbug weren't lunitics, nor were any scientists who have said they worked on flying saucer type aircraft, except for those very few like Ernst Zundel.
The reason I believe is because it is often equated to supernatural or metaphysical. But me, I am more interested in the physics involved and the possibilities of using such technologies if they do or can exist.

There are people out there that do weird things for attention and there are things that are equated to supernatural when they have natural explanations. If there is anything substantive about the subject these people do both sides of the issue an injustice. But, that’s the world we live in. In addition you have to keep a certain amount of skepticism around lest you lose your objectivity and become a nut and find yourself doing deceptive or discrediting things. <o:p></o:p>
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Ironically here is a case where we have a good deal of credible documented strange phenomena seemingly unexplained, but the attempt to explanation in natural terms is itself considered absurd. I have a friend who is of impeccable character, always an earnest person and a person that abhors deceit who confided in me of some things he saw early one morning on the way to work. When he got to work, a coworker asked if anyone else had seen it. Up to that point he had said nothing. <o:p></o:p>
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Its things like that which bothers me. It’s not some guy out there selling books or profiting on a “sighting” or building a name for himself that bothers me. Nor one like Zundel, as Kiwi pointed out that is seemingly just a hate monger, though I am not sure that would discredit his entire work, but certainly casts a shadow on it. It’s the people that don’t relish attention, someone like my friend who keeps it inside to avoid the criticism that is sure to come with relating something that others have never seen. There are so many things to get persecuted on, you certainly don’t need to come up with your own issues, so I suspect a lot of people may also keep these things close to the vest. <o:p></o:p>
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If you really want the implausible to believe in, imagine you actually exist. Go explain the natural with the natural. You’ll make the wildest fanatical UFOer seem like the sanest person on the planet.<o:p></o:p>
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Ok, so he's a crackpot and an idiot. Not hard to accept, the world is full of them. But, how do you then deal with foo fighters? They are not a part of anyone's conspiracy or agenda. Too many references from reputable pilots and crews. You can't simply group all that has been written about this subject and many of the photos that didn't come from this Zundel dude. Not all I have seen on the subject (which is pretty limited because I tend to be a bit of a skeptic) are pro-Nazi. Do you let DAs like this guy discredit the rest?

I was not addressing the subject of UFOs, foo fighters, and so on. I was addressing the subject of Ernst Zundel being described as a "scientist," when he is just a neo-Nazi crackpot, who has admitted pushing the UFO material to draw attention to his anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi agenda.

Please do not put ideas or words in my mouth.

This discussion on UFOs is beginning to stray off-topic. There are a great many discussion boards and websites upon which to discuss the UFO phenomenon.

 

This discussion on UFOs is beginning to stray off-topic. There are a great many discussion boards and websites upon which to discuss the UFO phenomenon.

In an attempt to get back on track. Forget the Foo Fighters, UFOs or other unexplained things that are seen. None of the evidence posted has shown anything that would prove that they have anything to do with a flying German 'Flying Saucer'.

I'm not too sure what the red herring about Germans in Antartica have to do with things. Almost everyone had research stations down there, still do in fact. The logistics of developing experimental flying craft such a distance from home would have been imense and not at all practical.

Everything else that was developed by the Germans of practical use was fully documented and no matter how secret was released to the public domain years ago. Why should a different form of air travel be any different? If it provided a method of zero G flight, why have the Americans and the Russians spent so much in time, money and lives on rocket powered space flight? When if you are right, there was a much easier way there all the time.

Even the most secret military development is fairly well known in the public domain within 10 years of being developed. Reactive armour, lazer weapons, stealth technology, neutron bombs, satellite imagery, lazer guided bombs. The list is endless and nothing stays a secret for more than 10 years. As soon as the rumors start, it's soon confirmed military specialists, quite often before the technology has been superceeded. These rumors have been around for 60 years. The reason they haven't been confirmed? maybe there's nothing to them. If they are denied? "Ah, that's proof that they are true!"

Nice pictures of the AVRO CAR in 'flight' by the way. Notice how similar it is to the Nazi saucers on the cover of the book 'Hitlers Flying Saucers'. The trouble is, the pictures of the AVRO CAR flying show it within a few feet of the ground. Hovering you ask? Yes, but only in the same way as a hovercraft does only with more power and no need for a cushion. But it still never 'flew' just hovered in the 'ground effect' and wobbled in a not very stable way. Not very 'flying saucer' like and not very impressive. Another thought though. If that was a design from the Nazi Saucer technology, why did we get to see pictures of that and none of the others?

So I for one don't know what to make of UFOs but am not convinced they have anything to do with the Germans in the 1940s or even that they did anything but possibly try to improve on the hovercraft.... unsuccessfully. Feel free to keep trying, I'd love to be proved wrong, but you haven't provided anything but conspiracy and unfounded speculation so far.

 

I'm not too sure what the red herring about Germans in Antartica have to do with things.

The Nazis worked on developing the saucer for some time in 1944 in Antartica as well as Germany.

 

If you want a documentary on these Nazi saucers, check this out: http://merlib.org/video/1586
There is a download link for the video on that webpage.
It is an interview with Andreas Epp. The founder of saucer technology during ww2.


details:

For english-only speaking:
This video is in german language. English title would be: The german flying saucer designers. It's an 1h long video interview with Andreas Epp and Walter Schauberger who were actively involved with 3rd Reich's secret projects which dealt with developement of flying saucers. An exclusive interview from 2 first hand witnesses before they passed away. If anyone can make a english subtitles file (.srt or similar) please do so and post it here (http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3405114). Thanks.

Fur Deutschsprachige:
Ein Interview mit Flugscheibenkonstrukteure Andreas Epp und Walter Schauberger. Eines der gr㏴en Geheimnisse ist, daǰwᄒend des Dritten Reichs verschiedene Stellen und Geheimbunde an der Entwicklung der deutschen Flugscheiben geforscht haben. Andreas Epp und Walter Schauberger waren Konstrukteure dieser Geheimentwicklungen und gaben noch vor ihrem Ableben einen Bericht, der als Zeitzeugnis einmalig und exklusiv in diesem Video zu sehen ist. 1 Stunde lang, bei Epp sind auch Bilder und Dokumente seiner Arbeit zu sehen. Wenn jemand die Uberzetzung zum Englisch (Unterschriften) machen will dann bitte die Uberzetzungdatei (.srt oder anlich) hier posten (http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3405114). Danke.

http://static.thepiratebay.org/downloadtorrent/3405114.torrent/Die_deutschen_Flugscheibenkonstrukteure_-_Interview_mit_Andreas_.3405114.TPB.torrent
thats the bit torrent download link.

 

The Nazis worked on developing the saucer for some time in 1944 in Antartica as well as Germany.

And my meaning was, is this proven, or just aledged? Is there any proof that they were developing a flying saucer in the Antarctic? You can tell me all sorts of things. Am I supposed to just believe it?

 

And my meaning was, is this proven, or just aledged? Is there any proof that they were developing a flying saucer in the Antarctic? You can tell me all sorts of things. Am I supposed to just believe it?
Well here are some resources about the expedition:


http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/3351/campaigns/antact.html
http://galactic.to/rune/vril5.html
http://galactic.to/rune/vril6.html
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Omega/files/omega2.htm
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/nemox.html
http://webfairy.org/missilegate/rfz/swaz/chapter14.htm
http://missilegate.com/rfz/chapter7.htm
http://missilegate.com/rfz/chapter3a.htm
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/ufoenigma2.htm

 

Well here are some resources about the expedition:


http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/3351/campaigns/antact.html
http://galactic.to/rune/vril5.html
http://galactic.to/rune/vril6.html
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Omega/files/omega2.htm
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/nemox.html

Firstly I've not said that I didn't believe that the Germans had a research station in the Antarctic. But as I say, many countries did. I was not convinced that it was used to research flyin saucers.

I've been through the links you supplied and have to say that as evidence goes it was much less than impressive. A lot of theories, no actual solid evidence. I'd ask you to have a look at my post earlier in which I state my reasons for being a sceptic, and point to the fact that as yet you have not countered one of them.

So I remain far from convinced, and if no better evidence can be found I'll remain so for quite a while.

 

Here is a short video file I recorded off of that old Scifi show "Sightings". It shows some footage of the american avorcar taking off. I'm not too sure how many people have DivX, so i converted the file to .wmv

Download link:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DUFXSGNV

 

I appreciate the effort you've gone to Pf, but the video proves nothing. Nice film of the A-Car but it still shows a disc hovering on a cusion of air, not screaming across the sky at Mach + speeds, so if it was included to prove anything it failed in my eyes.

I've said before, if I see convincing video of a recognizable german saucer like craft, doing flying saucer like things with recognizable humans in view to prove it's real, it's anon-story for me.

 

I was not addressing the subject of UFOs, foo fighters, and so on. I was addressing the subject of Ernst Zundel being described as a "scientist," when he is just a neo-Nazi crackpot, who has admitted pushing the UFO material to draw attention to his anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi agenda.

Please do not put ideas or words in my mouth.

This discussion on UFOs is beginning to stray off-topic. There are a great many discussion boards and websites upon which to discuss the UFO phenomenon.
Well, Kiwi, I was in agreement with you and seconded your claim he was a crackpot and a bigot. Never argued against a single thing you stated. Is it just visceral for you to respond to me that way?

Besides, the UFO discussion is not off topic. If you will check the topic, that's exactly what it is.

Do me a favor. Lighten up will you?

 

Well, Kiwi, I was in agreement with you and seconded your claim he was a crackpot and a bigot. Never argued against a single thing you stated. Is it just visceral for you to respond to me that way?

Besides, the UFO discussion is not off topic. If you will check the topic, that's exactly what it is.

Do me a favor. Lighten up will you?

No, I'm just making sure that what I said was clear. I'm never quite sure if you understand me or not. I don't think I was attacking you. If you feel attacked, I apologize. Such was not my intent.

As for my comment about the topic straying, that is aimed as a general statement to everyone involved with on this thread, as a moderator. If you feel that I am unjustly picking on you, such is not my intent, and I apologize.

I bear you no personal animus, and you do not know how I think, feel, or respond. But my response was not "visceral."

However, since they handed me the moderator hat, I'm not taking that lightly. I have seen some appalling behavior on other boards, most particularly The History Channel, caused by lack of moderation. So, no, I can't really "lighten up."

 

I appreciate the effort you've gone to Pf, but the video proves nothing. Nice film of the A-Car but it still shows a disc hovering on a cusion of air, not screaming across the sky at Mach + speeds, so if it was included to prove anything it failed in my eyes.

I've said before, if I see convincing video of a recognizable german saucer like craft, doing flying saucer like things with recognizable humans in view to prove it's real, it's anon-story for me.

I'm a trying to find a way to upload that 400 mb video that shows a guy polishing the saucer, and then standing on it, and then it takes off, you get a minute of it elevating in the air and then it takes flight. On post #19 you can see some screen shots I took of it.

I was able to finish succesfully downloading that andreas Epp interview (I can understand German) and I am currently watching it, if it offers any footage of any type of saucer flying in the air like you said I will try to printscreen it.

Ironically the History channel is doing a documentary on military flying saucers right now!

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Monday, February 27 @ 8pm ET/PT</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" align="left" bgcolor="#e1dfc8" valign="top"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="5" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Ever since the military started using sophisticated airplanes, they have sought ways to build an aircraft that can fly undetected, maneuver like a helicopter and fly like a jet. The Nazis were the first to pursue the idea of building a disc-shaped aircraft. After the war, the Americans, Canadians and Russians all were able to build aircraft similar to the German prototype, perhaps based on the concepts smuggled out by German engineers. This episode looks at top secret flying saucer designs of the Air Force, with specific dates, times and locales of flights that may point to the real explanation behind the many UFO sightings beginning in 1947, and why the saucer design was abandoned for stealth technology. TVPG cc
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This UFO Files episode is called:
Real UFO's

Here is a torrent for any of you who want to see it:
http://www.mininova.org/get/153935
(This is one of the best documentaries on this subject you will probably ever see!)