german engineering

Hey Za, this is what I wrote in retort to Dave's list. I'm not more inflammatory than you are home skillet. Oh ye who does not want to be questioned
I saw that reply, and I found it lacking. As I said, cherry-picking and weaseling out. Please provide a full reply item by item to the full list. It falls to you to prove you are not a troll or it's lesser variety the garden gnome.

As for your last period it seems to me that you are the one who does not want to be questioned. You started my making a statement that raised doubts, and it is your part to defend your argument, not mine. I don't know how it is in your place, but in mine the dogs wag their tails, not the other way round.

The sad part is that you're not even funny nor pleasant to argue with, so have a good day. I've seen better.

 

They had problems too, tank losses, repairs and BREAKDOWNS!



Ms# P-059 Project # 47 Tank Losses

 

Achilles!

Fairey Swordfish MkII LS326 - YouTube


TSRII -Battle Honours Part of the Italian Fleet Taranto and a big ship - Bismark!

 

But you see, thats just quirk of circumstance lads, that a pesky little stringbag could do that to such a brilliant piece of engineering. Now "what if" that hadnt happened? Oh I'm sure that we'd have been in for a wonderful story about how the Bismarck would wreak havoc on the entire surface fleet of the Royal Navy!!! That little obsolete yoke denied the Bismarck its place in history so we should discount that!! Of course we're overlooking the fact that the age of the Battleship was gone and that the age of the Aircraft Carrier and ocean going aircraft was the future a la US navy in the Pacific.

 

Not the fact that the stern failed isn't. I'm not bothered one way or another but our friend was declaring the Bismark to be the greatest piece of engineering when their appears to be a design flaw in her stern. Surely if German engineering was all powerful they would have spotted this?

 

Swordfish versus Bismark, nothing to do with technology - the aircrews got through at a cost.

 

Not the fact that the stern failed isn't. I'm not bothered one way or another but our friend was declaring the Bismark to be the greatest piece of engineering when their appears to be a design flaw in her stern. Surely if German engineering was all powerful they would have spotted this?


She had a lot of flaws. The armored deck was located near the bottom of the armored belt. This was a carry off of WWI practice when there was less of a concern from long range pluging fire. This left a lot more of her interior space unprotected, including communication equipment. And separate 150 mm low elevation guns and 105mm anti-aircraft?. As the kids say, 'REALLY?!" What a waste of displacement that could be used for other things.

Dave

 

Okay wow. I now realize you guys are semi delusional. You're the one's espousing non mainstream views and makin it seem like I'm the one in left field. I love non mainstream views, whether I agree or disagree, but don't treat me like the lone wierdo when I'm using the talking points of the established thought. I mean, please, the Germans created the first operational aircraft, the first cruise missiles, smart bombs, rockets. You guys give me a list with trucks and medical supplies on it and say I'm cherry picking when I don't address every one. Puh-lease.

 

I meant operational jet

 

Okay wow. I now realize you guys are semi delusional. You're the one's espousing non mainstream views and makin it seem like I'm the one in left field. I love non mainstream views, whether I agree or disagree, but don't treat me like the lone wierdo when I'm using the talking points of the established thought. I mean, please, the Germans created the first operational aircraft, the first cruise missiles, smart bombs, rockets. You guys give me a list with trucks and medical supplies on it and say I'm cherry picking when I don't address every one. Puh-lease.

You're obviously wasting your time with us lot. There must be more interesting cages to rattle. Run along and bother someone else, there's a good chap. Matron's going to be round soon with the sedatives and she doesn't take kindly to whippersnappers on the ward.

 

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And everything has some flaws. Overall the Bismarck was the best of the best. I'd put her against any contemporary battleship anyday

 

And everything has some flaws. Overall the Bismarck was the best of the best. I'd put her against any contemporary battleship anyday
So I see you've carefully avoided any discussion about where you got your forum name from and the fact is appears to be connected to groups with rather interesting ideas on race and the Third Reich? Any comment on this or is it just a very weird co-incidence that someone who thinks Germany can do no wrong and likes "non-mainstream views" shares a name with (or is the same person as) people who support the BNP, like songs that glorify Nazis and ancient tribes that have "typically Germanic features" and were assimilated by those nasty Uyghurs?

 

The name just sounded cool. You're actually enlightening me to it's roots. Why I chose the name is irrelevant. You can't argue with the facts so you go to character assassination. The facts are, the only things that anyone really did better engineering-wise than the Germans in WWII was the American aircraft carriers an the nuke. Germany didn't have a naval focus. Nor was it the navy that won the wr in Europe. It was land and air. The nuke, I'll give ya, even though that is subject to debate. But fine, the nuke was not made by Germany first. Only everything else that I the bulwark of the modern American military, namely jets, ICBM's, cruise missiles and smart bombs. And they had the first stealth plane.

 

You are right we are all wrong, if that makes you happy, you will never know how pleased I am for you, we humble souls have not got your vast experience, but given time we will have - as long as we can remain semi delusional! I have an inkling that pity would suit better than scorn.

 

I meant operational jet

That is not true.
The first operational jet was the Meteor.

 

The name just sounded cool. You're actually enlightening me to it's roots. Why I chose the name is irrelevant. You can't argue with the facts so you go to character assassination. The facts are, the only things that anyone really did better engineering-wise than the Germans in WWII was the American aircraft carriers an the nuke. Germany didn't have a naval focus. Nor was it the navy that won the wr in Europe. It was land and air. The nuke, I'll give ya, even though that is subject to debate. But fine, the nuke was not made by Germany first. Only everything else that I the bulwark of the modern American military, namely jets, ICBM's, cruise missiles and smart bombs. And they had the first stealth plane.
Right such a lucky co-incidence. Like all of your comments so far, poorly sourced and poorly thought out. I mean even the most basic poster on a history website can learn how to use Wikipedia to support their points, something you can't seem to do. You've presented no "facts" as you've supplied no evidence from any sources other than yourself to back up your ramblings. I wonder what colour the sky is in your world?

 

You are right we are all wrong, if that makes you happy, you will never know how pleased I am for you, we humble souls have not got your vast experience, but given time we will have - as long as we can remain semi delusional! I have an inkling that pity would suit better than scorn.

Stop making me out to be the a-hole. You're comrades have attacked me from the beginning, not because I was being a jerk on my attitude, but because they thought my opinion made me a jerk. I get it, you all want to contrive reasons why German engineering was not superior, cuz it obviously somehow really gets your goat to think otherwise. But I didn't start the flame war here. I was for the most part reasonable.