german engineering

Well this thread has certainly been entertaining.!!!!!! Now where's me comics.

 

You can argue that either June 22, 1941 or December 11, 1941 was their doomsday and probably be right with just one of them even if the other did not occur.

Are you kidding me? The Germans declared war. The Japanese, that little island off China, had actually attacked us. Yes, if the Germans were not the far greater threat the US wouldve gone after Japan. The US government had all the political capital to attack Japan first.

Either you are not reading the posts or you don't know enough about the history of the war to actually argue cogently. I deliberately mentioned December 11 and not December 7, as the former was the day that a declaration of war was issued by Germany to the US. Germany sealed the deal of their own demise either when they attacked the Soviets or declared war on the US or both.

You ignored my comment about the bomb. How does that fit in with your scenerio of Teutonic dominance?

 

I would very much like to see Mr. Resident Troll go through the list above, item by item.

Hey Za! I did go through the list. I talked about the Bismarck being better than any contemporary battleships. I said aircraft carriers were in no way part of the German strategy. I said a lot more too which you can feel free to find. And how dare you call me a troll. That's what trolls like you say when people don't capitulate to your way of thinking. It's pretty weak sauce. The fact is that I've backed up every statement I've said. I'm sorry that me thinking the Germans were the best engineers pisses you off. I'm sorry I don't buy into the notion that the defeat of Germany was a foregone conclusion. What a bunch of nonsense! Y'all are getting schooled and so now you resort to calling names.

 

Either you are not reading the posts or you don't know enough about the history of the war to actually argue cogently. I deliberately mentioned December 11 and not December 7, as the former was the day that a declaration of war was issued by Germany to the US. Germany sealed the deal of their own demise either when they attacked the Soviets or declared war on the US or both.

You ignored my comment about the bomb. How does that fit in with your scenerio of Teutonic dominance?

I was replying to someone who said we didn't have the political capital to go after Japan first. Get off your high horse. I did not ignore the bomb comment. I said that's the one thing the US had first that the Germans were trying to create. I also said that the manhattan project was the most resource intense project ever til that point and that Germany had a minute fraction of the resources of just one of it's enemies. I know that it sticks in all your craws, but the facts are that Germany never had access to even close the amount of resources as its opponents. That's like when a real tiny guy gets into a fight with a giant. If the tiny guy puts up a great fight and almost wins, you might deduce the tiny guy was a better fighter, that he eventually lost because his fighting skill could not make up for the size inequality. But you wanna stifle anything that makes Germany look good. I'd be curious what makes you so bitter about my comments. You say I'm some Teutonic pride person blah blah blah? So weak. Maybe you have some agenda. What's your deal? Anyone who can't merely address my arguments is showing that they don't have anything to truly back up theirs. Just gotta call names and hope I go away. Pathetic

 

One final thing. I made the point that the Me262 was not allowed to show it's full potency because it was made into a bomber instead of being used as an interceptor as it was supposed to be. You all treat that decision by Hitler to make it a bomber as no big deal and try to say the Me262 was jut notthat great anyway. How would you feel if Roosevelt had made the P-51 a bomber? You would think that was the stupidest decision ever. What if then the Japanese shot the P-51 bombers out of the sky with ease? You would not say that this was because the Japanese were a match technologically. You would say that our tech was superior, it was just misused. The facts are that Me262 was the most prominent example of German technological superiority. They started the jet age. The Germans also started the rocket age. Werner Von Braun, who formerly worked for the Nazis, led our rocket program in the Cold War.

 

Why don't you calm down a bit. Read the forum for a while and you'll learn a lot.

You're new and playing way WAY out of your league with some of the members you are arguing with. And I don't count myself in their league either.

Dave

 

I have one final thing to say to all of you who not only say Germany was defeated the moment America came in, but that Britain and Russia had it already in the bag. Then why did Churchill say this?

"Before America entered the war I knew we could not win it, but after she entered I knew we could not lose"- Winston Churchill

At the very least, Germany was putting up an awesome fight, even winning, against two empires that were together seventy times larger in land mass and had three times the amount of people. Why? Because Germany had better tactics and technology. Their focus on quality over quantity is vindicated

 

The Germans also started the rocket age. Werner Von Braun, who formerly worked for the Nazis, led our rocket program in the Cold War. Not heard of the American - Robert Goddard then, who was building liquid fueled rocket motors with three axis control, gyro stabilization and steerable thrust whilst Braun was still at school - care to check things before you try another bluff? Braun became the leading engineer in the field but like many others he built on the knowledge of others - you do not wish to give credit too - why is that?

 

Why don't you calm down a bit. Read the forum for a while and you'll learn a lot.

You're new and playing way WAY out of your league with some of the members you are arguing with. And I don't count myself in their league either.

Dave

There's not a single thing said by anyone here that can back up the statement that I'm out of someone's league. Maybe you're all out of my league. See I can just say things too. And don't tell me to calm down. I'm not the on starting the troll-calling. Za and Slippy call me a troll and a Teuton worshipper or whatever and I need to calm down? Wow. What hypocrisy. So do any of you have any evidence to back up your statements about German versus Allied tech besides aircraft carriers and the bomb? I mean, seriously, you think aircraft carriers were what Germany needed to win the war? Of course not. They were fighting predominately a land battle. That's why they didn't have the hugest navy. That's why they dominated on the turf they wished to, land and air. The reasons they did not have the bomb are more nuanced

 

No, it is beyond all doubt you are at the top of your league, would be unwise to argue otherwise.

 

There's not a single thing said by anyone here that can back up the statement that I'm out of someone's league. Maybe you're all out of my league. See I can just say things too. And don't tell me to calm down. I'm not the on starting the troll-calling. Za and Slippy call me a troll and a Teuton worshipper or whatever and I need to calm down? Wow. What hypocrisy. So do any of you have any evidence to back up your statements about German versus Allied tech besides aircraft carriers and the bomb? I mean, seriously, you think aircraft carriers were what Germany needed to win the war? Of course not. They were fighting predominately a land battle. That's why they didn't have the hugest navy. That's why they dominated on the turf they wished to, land and air. The reasons they did not have the bomb are more nuanced

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I was replying to someone who said we didn't have the political capital to go after Japan first.
Perhaps you need to spend a little time reading the forum first, as Dave mentioned, and figure out how to quote.
Get off your high horse. I did not ignore the bomb comment. I said that's the one thing the US had first that the Germans were trying to create. I also said that the manhattan project was the most resource intense project ever til that point and that Germany had a minute fraction of the resources of just one of it's enemies. I know that it sticks in all your craws, but the facts are that Germany never had access to even close the amount of resources as its opponents. That's like when a real tiny guy gets into a fight with a giant. If the tiny guy puts up a great fight and almost wins, you might deduce the tiny guy was a better fighter, that he eventually lost because his fighting skill could not make up for the size inequality. But you wanna stifle anything that makes Germany look good.
That would be a negative. Germany made some very nice weapons. The MG-42 comes to mind. I could give a good list of others, but they all were not outstanding in every aspect and every design as you have constantly mentioned.

Oh yeah, one other thing. My horse is not high. I'm a Southerner.

I'd be curious what makes you so bitter about my comments. You say I'm some Teutonic pride person blah blah blah? So weak. Maybe you have some agenda. What's your deal? Anyone who can't merely address my arguments is showing that they don't have anything to truly back up theirs. Just gotta call names and hope I go away. Pathetic

Teutonic - Of or relating to the Germanic languages or their speakers. n.

Where did you pull that one from? How does "scenerio of Teutonic dominance" equate with calling you names when that has been the thrust of your comments so far?

One final thing. I made the point that the Me262 was not allowed to show it's full potency because it was made into a bomber instead of being used as an interceptor as it was supposed to be. You all treat that decision by Hitler to make it a bomber as no big deal and try to say the Me262 was jut notthat great anyway. How would you feel if Roosevelt had made the P-51 a bomber?
It was. See the A-36 Apache.
The facts are that Me262 was the most prominent example of German technological superiority. They started the jet age.

I guess the Gloster Meteor was actually a propellor driven aircraft. The Me-262 was a good aircraft but it had some major problems, especially with the engines due to shortages of certain metals.
The Germans also started the rocket age. Werner Von Braun, who formerly worked for the Nazis, led our rocket program in the Cold War.
And he did a good job.

 

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When the Wheatcoft Famo first appeared at Beltring I was taken aback by the magnificent quality of a dashboard instrument, it was either the speedo or rev counter, it was likely just restored , beautiful Bakelite housing, and a face on the dial that would not have looked out of place in a specialist antique clock shop, a master piece of design and manufacture,
I thought at the time how very over engineered is that, there was a war on. sorry the rest of this thread is way above my simple head.
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Hey Za! I did go through the list. I talked about the Bismarck being better than any contemporary battleships. I said aircraft carriers were in no way part of the German strategy. I said a lot more too which you can feel free to find. And how dare you call me a troll. That's what trolls like you say when people don't capitulate to your way of thinking. It's pretty weak sauce. The fact is that I've backed up every statement I've said. I'm sorry that me thinking the Germans were the best engineers pisses you off. I'm sorry I don't buy into the notion that the defeat of Germany was a foregone conclusion. What a bunch of nonsense! Y'all are getting schooled and so now you resort to calling names.
Doesnt matter whether the Bismarck was brilliant or not, doesnt matter what sort of engineering existed in Germany at the time, once Hitler invaded Russia and declared war on the US the result was never in doubt. I like to recount the classic retorts to "what ifs" "America builds the bomb, Berlin gets attacked, war over".

 

Alright, I looked up stuff on the web concerning German engineering in WWII. This is one of the first links to show and I'm sure a lot of people read it. I read it and saw a bunch of falsehoods and wished to correct them. Then you bunch of harpies pounce and have very little to back up your statements. So I debate back and that infuriates you, gets all your panties in a bunch. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen

 

Why? Because Germany had better tactics and technology. Their focus on quality over quantity is vindicated
Germans had better tactics??? Strategically they were a mess. No war economy, in 1940 Britain was out-producing them in terms of aircraft alone. They didnt know how to run a war economy, no mass mobilisation till after Stalingrad when the best and the brightest of the Wehrmacht lay in graves on the Soviet Steppe, no dispersion of Industries properly, constant problems with fuel supply. An army that was not properly mechanised, and a war on two fronts. Not to mention problems with manpower, these are all more pertinant points when discussing the war with Germany than talking about tactics. Logistics, Economy of scale and Industry wins wars ultimately. Please note that I have not even begun to compare the Allies versus the Germans. All the above were problems on the German side that they never overcame. And the Allies did. Please remember this as you waffle on about how great the German tactics were and how superior their weapons were.

 

And that last comment of Mir was aimed at those calling me a troll and other insults. Not to those who have debated in a civil manner. I meant to quote dbf's comment

 

Not of Mir, of mine