German Cwgc?

Discussion in 'Axis Units' started by markinbelfast, Oct 16, 2004.

  1. markinbelfast

    markinbelfast Senior Member

    At a car boot sale I spotted a chap selling the 'half' Nazi id discs...is there anyway to research these men....and how do you recond someone could get these tags...please dont say dig-ups....yuck
     
  2. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Hi,

    To trace German soldiers who died in WW2 visit:

    http://www.volksbund.de/

    and click on the image of the German cemetery in the top navigation bar entitled Gräbersuche.

    A direct link to the research page is:

    http://www.volksbund.de/graebersuche/content_suche.asp

    how do you recond someone could get these tags...please dont say dig-ups....yuck

    Sadly I suspect this is exactly how they come up for sale... thousands appeared after the USSR fragmented and came from German grave sites looted for profit.
     
  3. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Originally posted by Paul Reed@Oct 16 2004, 03:51 PM

    To trace German soldiers who died in WW2 visit:

    http://www.volksbund.de/





    Unfortunately (a bit like the US ABMC lists) this only lists those who have graves (whether individual or mass) in the attendance of the KgV. Those who died at home , or were buried in private plots ,or are completely missing without trace (many,many thousands!) aren't listed.

    Dave.

    (see my ("Croonaert"s) posting on the GWF for further comments on the half tags)
     
  4. harribobs

    harribobs Member

    Originally posted by markinbelfast@Oct 16 2004, 09:15 PM
    At a car boot sale I spotted a chap selling the 'half' Nazi id discs...is there anyway to research these men....and how do you recond someone could get these tags...please dont say dig-ups....yuck
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    assuming that half tags are created when one half is taken from a dead soldier ( :( ), are the different halves identifiable? do they both have holes for the chain?
     
  5. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Originally posted by harribobs+Jan 31 2005, 10:43 PM-->(harribobs @ Jan 31 2005, 10:43 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-markinbelfast@Oct 16 2004, 09:15 PM
    At a car boot sale I spotted a chap selling the 'half' Nazi id discs...is there anyway to research these men....and how do you recond someone could get these tags...please dont say dig-ups....yuck
    [post=28764]Quoted post[/post]

    assuming that half tags are created when one half is taken from a dead soldier ( :( ), are the different halves identifiable? do they both have holes for the chain?
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    Yes. Two holes on the part that fastened around the neck, and one hole on the part that was "snapped off".
     
  6. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Originally posted by CROONAERT+Feb 1 2005, 12:41 AM-->(CROONAERT @ Feb 1 2005, 12:41 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by harribobs@Jan 31 2005, 10:43 PM
    <!--QuoteBegin-markinbelfast@Oct 16 2004, 09:15 PM
    At a car boot sale I spotted a chap selling the 'half' Nazi id discs...is there anyway to research these men....and how do you recond someone could get these tags...please dont say dig-ups....yuck
    [post=28764]Quoted post[/post]

    assuming that half tags are created when one half is taken from a dead soldier ( :( ), are the different halves identifiable? do they both have holes for the chain?
    [post=31095]Quoted post[/post]


    Yes. Two holes on the part that fastened around the neck, and one hole on the part that was "snapped off".
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    Chris.

    On this scan, the ones on the left are the bits that would be left on a corpse and the ones on the right are (top) a complete tag and (bottom) the half that was removed after death.

    The fact that half tags are found is not necessarily indicative of the original owner being KIA, by the way.
     
  7. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Originally posted by CROONAERT@Feb 2 2005, 12:26 AM

    On this scan, the ones on the left are the bits that would be left on a corpse and the ones on the right are (top) a complete tag and (bottom) the half that was removed after death.

    The fact that half tags are found is not necessarily indicative of the original owner being KIA, by the way.
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    Chris.

    Just for interest's sake, here's a selection of WW1 1916 pattern tags. The halves on the left are all bottom halves that would have been removed. The half on the right is the top half shown with a complete example.

    These discs have all been researched and none are to casualties!
     
  8. harribobs

    harribobs Member

    Thanks Dave,

    i have never seen any close (from either conflict)

    if i can stray a little (well we are on german memorials) what about this one

    the info on this pic can be found in the war in the med section
     

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