General Ramcke

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  1. redtop

    redtop Well-Known Member

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    I posted the above letter from a German Falschrimjager Officer on another site and received this reply below

    is it True about the Award being False?



    Just been reading a book called “The Walls Have Ears” about the interrogation and bugging of Axis prisoners. It describes how Ramcke was taken prisoner after the surrender of Brest along with a fair quantity of Champagne and Cognac. Ramcke proved uncooperative so his interrogators cooked up a scheme to loosen his inhibitions. They manufactured a fake German press release which awarded Ramcke the Knights Cross with Crossed Swords and Diamonds for the brave defence of Brest. They took the press release and plenty of the General’s own Champagne and Cognac and visited him to celebrate his award. All got completely rat arsed during which time Ramcke divulged all sorts of interesting information much to the satisfaction of the listeners. Ramcke never found out that his award was fake.
     
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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  3. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    In France in 1951 he was sentenced to 5 years in prison for taking French civilians hostage and executing them, for looting civilian property and for burning down civilian houses. In the 1950s he was also active in extreme right wing circles in West Germany.
     
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  4. JDKR

    JDKR Member Patron

    The Combined Services Detailed Interrogation Centre (CSDIC UK) opinion of Ramcke was not high...

    'Ramcke is inordinately vain and has a most extensive knowledge of distorted history; ambitious, ruthless yet naive, an opportunist. As the Nazi Party is on the decline he is beginning to change his views. He claims to have made 800,000 Reichsmark out of his book From Cabin Boy to Paratroop General. When captured Rsmcke was found to be in possession of a large quantity of French brandy and liquors, also a complete dinner service, probably looted. Ramcke makes no bones about the fact that he was determined to win the highest decorations and has described to British officers how he recommended his subordinates for high decorations, knowing full well that the High Command would have to recommend him for a higher award than they received. He was awarded the Swords and Diamonds for his defence of Brest and his last act was to send a WT message to Hitler recommending himself for the award of an estate'. Soenke Neitzel 'Tapping Hitler's Generals', p.309, (Barnsley: Frontline Books 2007).

    I have yet to find any evidence for the fake Swords and Diamonds but I wouldn't have put it past the devious masters of Trent Park.
     
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  5. Osborne2

    Osborne2 Well-Known Member

  6. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Yes "Tapping Hitler's Generals" .....a very good source for British intelligence also in ascertaining who were loyal to Hitler and who were not.

    Von Thoma gave the game away with a very early warning of the development of what would be the V1 weapon,a weapon that would inflict widespread damage to London.He thought it should have being happening when he arrived at Trent Park...all from chit chat.

    This publication should be read in conjunction with Soldaten..Fighting,Killing and Dying by Neitzel and Welzer ,an eyeopener to the excesses that the Wehrmacht was engaged in, particular on the Eastern Front.
     
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  7. JDKR

    JDKR Member Patron

    Couldn’t agree more. In the context of acquiring information, ‘deviousness’ is an excellent quality!

    Fully agree with you Harry. In many respects ‘Soldaten’ was by far the more distressing of the two books and gave lie to the view that atrocities were the responsibility of a few, ‘specialist’ organisations.
     
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  8. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    … and to round it off I again recommend: "Comrades: The Wehrmacht from Within" by Felix Römer (or Roemer). The English translation came out in 2019. Römer is describing and analysing the results of the tapping of German POW in Fort Hunt/USA. Similar to the findings of Neitzel and Welzer, maybe even more detailed … gives you insight into the mindset of WW2 German soldiers and officers.
     
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