(jimbotosome @ Dec 30 2005, 07:12 PM) [post=43791]Adam, You quoted a very popular but equally fallacious principle that timidity saves men. Patton claimed the opposite was true that only attack can save men’s lives. Call it counterintuitive if you wish, but it appears axiomatic as well. [/b] It dosen't appear at all axiomatic to me, Jimbo. As ways of waging war, timidity and lack of it each have their adherents, but it's hard to quantify which works best. It's easy to trot out statistics showing how Patton lost X amount of men while Monty lost Y, but I belong to the Mark Twain school of thought on the validity of raw stats. There are many other variables to be considered in assessing the efficacy of each approach, such as each commander's tactical situation at the time and the war materiel at his disposal. In order to determine which approach is truly the best, one would need to artifically create a situation where all the real world variables were made equal - but, of course, that is impossible!