General Friedrich Paulus

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  1. HA96

    HA96 Member

    Today, 75 years ago in 1943, Friedrich Paulus - Wikipedia




    the last Luftwaffe aircraft left Stalingrad. More details, see link above.

    Stefan.
     
  2. hucks216

    hucks216 Member

    And from my collection here are a couple of pages from a Wehrpass and a Flugbuch for a pilot in KG zbV 102 who took part in the Stalingrad airlift, flying supplies to and between the main resupply airbases (notice the mention of Salsk and Swerowo in the Flugbuch).

    Spies WP 003.jpg Spies WP 006.jpg SPIES FB4(3) 015d.jpg
     
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  3. HA96

    HA96 Member

    Great, I need to study the documents in detail and check with documents in the Berlin archives to see what happened to the men.

    Stefan.
    NB: never realised that my thread would come up with this type of documents, thanks a lot.

    Stefan.
     
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  4. HA96

    HA96 Member

    have now checked all pages and sent off a request to Berlin for more info. This can take up to 4 weeks,
    Stefan.
     
  5. hucks216

    hucks216 Member

    He survived the war - on the 9th May 1945 he was serving with TG-3 and made his 1124th flight.
     
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  6. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    We think of Allied prisoners in Japanese hands as being one of the worst possible WW2 experiences.

    Of the 107,000 Axis servicemen captured at Stalingrad, (91,000 German) only 6,000 survived captivity to be repatriated home in 1955. Twelve years of imprisonment and a 93% fatality rate would rank that experience quite highly on the suffering scale. Under forced labour with death from wounds, disease, malnutrition and maltreatment it obviously rivaled anything the Japanese had meted out.
     
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  7. germancosmo

    germancosmo New Member

    I guess it depends on the point of view.

    German POWs that survived the first weeks (were mistreating and death marches were common) often said on the average they were not treatend bad on purpose, but a life was not worth a lot in the UDDSR in general. So basically i red very often that they did´nt had enough food for their own people as well and starvation and hard labour was normal for that time for russians as well.

    As example:

    Dieter Peeters
    Vermisst in Stalingrad: Als einfacher Soldat überlebte ich Kessel und Todeslager. 1941-1949

    And the biography of the famous pilot Hartmann (dont remember the books name at the moment).

    Also i just red the bio of austrian sniper Josef Allerberger which managed to avoid russian POW time - but by his storys soldiers life the last two years on the eastern front was not very different to POW time in russia in terms of freezing, malnutrition and desperation.

    On the other hand - if you were mistreated in russia on top of the malnutrition and other stuff - probably you did´nt survived to write a book about it. I remembered the story of a veteran that stated after Stalingrad the were put in trains with 100 soldiers per waggon. Since the weren´nt given water for 3 weeks 6 soldiers in his waggon survived.


    From the japanese i red they were brutal on purpose. So as said, i think it depends on your viewpoint.

     
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  8. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    True, but 93% of those viewpoints were never heard. That number speaks for itself.
     
  9. HA96

    HA96 Member

    Thanks, If Berlin comes up with what he did aftter the war, I'll be back. Pilots never stop flying, it is like driving cars, typically you get yiour licence and drive until you turn 85 ++ or let the wife drive you .:police:

    Stefan.
     
  10. HA96

    HA96 Member

    Excuse my ignorance, but what is TG-3?
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  12. HA96

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    Thanks a lot. never too old to learn (73 in March)
    Stefan.
     
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