Free Speech

I read these posts and feel totally saddened
here we all are bickering between ourselves.

We have to accept that there is now no room
for "Freedom of Speech" in our society today,
we are all to affraid to say anything that is not
pc of fear of being classed a racist, extreme or
radical.

 

I dont care, if they can say what they want so can i.

Donnie

 

This country is in a PC state and it saddens me. We need strong leadership but I can't see that happening for a while.

 

Say it with pictures

 

It's as well to remember that the PC state hs been inflicted on 'us' by 'us'. Certain sections of 'society' (one would venture to suggest that is typically those with no great desire to be social) have merely taken advantage of the opportunities 'we' have given them. How much of the frustration we feel is being wise after the event?

As somebody once said: 'the trouble with the British is that they don't see the writing on the wall until they've got their backs to it'.

It may be a naive view but hasn't it all gone wrong since laws have become more about what people think or say, and less about of what they actually do? The concept of responsibility going out of fashion hasn't helped. People should be free to dislike, even denounce, opposing beliefs, sky fairies, perversions, whatever. Other people are free to argue, ridicule or ignore it. If that turns into harassment or violence then there are already laws to deal with such things; they just need to be applied even-handedly against the actions not the motives.

One example that gets up my nose (I nearly typed 'browns me off' before the social conditioning kicked in): the crime of racist murder 'they' invented not so long ago. Am I any more or any less dead if I am killed by someone of a different hue? Should I be more guilty if I kill someone of different colour or creed? Am I more deserving of justice if I am a victim who is black instead of white?

If I had a point, I've forgotten what it was. Oh, that was it: we should go easy on the mods. They do carry the can for what we say on here and this is a WW2 - not WW3 - forum.

 

Beg pardon but I think it's time for a few words.

A thread was suspended - not sent to Neverland - for a day to allow people to cool off. What happens? As posting on that thread is no longer allowed for a day another one is created carrying on with the same discourse.

How many threads do you want to see closed in your face until you learn, or until the Mods (PBTN) start getting fed up and start suspending people instead of threads? Worse than that, for how long are we going to keep aggravating other members of the forum? There are quite a number of members I simply don't see posting in this or the other thread, might mean something.

Remember what was said in the other thread, this was all a publicity stunt by an attention seeking 'person' seeking an inflammatory purpose. Well well, he seems to be quite competent at his work, just like old Göbbels was. Do you still want to be his dupes? I fell for it at the beginning and would like to continue my reasoning, but not any longer.

This forum is about WW2 after all, I'm sure there are other places more adequate to vent one's spleen at will and at large, but here it seems somewhat inapproipriate.

Now, how many bolts did it take to fit the Valentine III engine plate in place?

 

If I had a point, I've forgotten what it was. Oh, that was it: we should go easy on the mods. They do carry the can for what we say on here and this is a WW2 - not WW3 - forum.

OK then Donnie you run the forum cos I'm off, cos I don't want anything to do with the forum when we get our arses sued.

Otto, Adam , Gerard, Paul & I make the rules here .
End of.

We live in a relatively free society, thanks to Sapper, Ron and millions of others, including my father, who fought against Tyrany in WW2 in order that we remained free and democratic.

Governments are voted in by the people and the laws are made and passed by these same people.

I believe the Mods on this forum work very hard on our behalf and as already said, we should stick to WW2 on this forum.

If you want to vent anger at our laws, then go and give your MP some grief at their surgery and perhaps the laws may be altered.

Regards
Tom

 

Nick Griffin is bariatric enough !

<Ooo did I say that out aloud>

 

Ooh, you fattist! I'm offended (on behalf of people who are fat - not me, you understand)

Seeing this:
the British National Party will take a stand in defense of our heroes by having our two MEPs and our London Assembly Member use their own bodies to physically block the street
brought the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad to mind, for some reason. The media whores are out in force today...

 

OK then Donnie you run the forum cos I'm off, cos I don't want anything to do with the forum when we get our arses sued.

Otto, Adam , Gerard, Paul & I make the rules here .
End of.

This was the shagging reason i left, to get away from this! christ sake, i thought go back for some talk on WW2 and the first thread turns into this mess...have i been overtly racist then Owen?

Donnie

 

Ba Ba Black sheep got banned, Blackboards became Whiteboards,

Deary me. Don't believe everything you read. The first thing never happened, the second; well they are white. Would you call a white board a blackboard?
You crazy cat!

And Donnie, 'Modern Crusader'? A very emotive thing to have given your standpoint.

Let's all have a group hug. This forum is one of the best I go on. The mods do a great job. Let's have a bit of faith in them.

 

Let's have a bit of faith in them.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! That's the problem, not the solution; isn't it?

 

What if we faaaaaarrrrrtttt in their general direction?

 

I for one have great faith in our Mods.
They have a difficult job to do and they do it well, having to keep many varying 'limits' in mind.
We might not all agree with the PC 'regulations' seemingly running many aspects of our lives - in fact most of us think that 'they' have probably gone completely overboard - but tolerance and understanding is supposed to be part of our British society. I just wish that all who claim to be proud Britons would apply the same standards to their public outbursts. There are extremists in every society. It is how the extremists are dealt with that I feel defines the character of the greater population, the British.
If the proposed march were to go ahead (which I very much doubt) it would be British Police (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and many other religions) who would be deployed to protect the rights of the protestors to free speech. I can think of many countries where the opposite would be applied. This in itself should be enough to shame the protestors into a dark and sorry place but it won't be.
Extremists are just that - extreme - and our tolerance won't make them respect a tolerant attitude at all.

 

whooo, people this is going though, wouldn't it be better to shut this down and go further with the WOII part?, I to have an oponion on certain cases, but don't put it out on forums anymore as you go to do with so many people and so many thoughts.

 

Well first of all as Za pointed out, Adam suspended the thread, it hasnt been deleted and, provided everyone calms down, I would imagine it will be re-opened. Frankly this is a more reasonable option than outright deletion and no-one's freedom of speech has been rescinded. I like to think that we are a fairly tolerant bunch of Mods and content to let people "potter about the vegetable patch". But there is a limit to what can be said. And screaming about "Free Speech" is not gonna wash when we are being sued. So unless you are prepared to personally fund a robust legal defense then I would suggest you accept our rules and enjoy the site for what it is, a WW2 site.

There is one other point I would make. It might be blatently obvious to some but this is an international forum. It is owned by a Canadian, moderated by non-commonwealth and commonwealth subjects, and attended by people from all over the world. It might have a distinctly British/Commonwealth feel but it is an international community. My point is this: You might feel that a thread about Britain is worth discussing (and incidentally thats ok, no problem there). But dont start losing the head because someone from Mongolia puts forward an opinion that runs contrary to all you hold dear. And I'm not talking about a rascist or inflammatory comment. Current Affairs is different to History. Its more inflammatory because its current and relevant. Look at the way some threads on the Eastern Front progress and thats about events from over 60 years ago!

Back to the vegetable patch...................

 

The fact remains that we have 200 groups under constant surveillance, and 2000 individuals under constant watch.

The loss of free speech is a blessing to those that wish us harm. For they can say what they like..... with impunity.
So go ahead, bury your heads in the sand. Ignore the huge number of terrorist acts around the globe...... All emanating from the same source.
The Country is in the same mood as in 1939.... After all... the twin towers did not happen...Nor the attacks in the UK....One word springs to mind ....Lethargy.
Or am I just an old fellow with different values to the younger generation?

 

Brian you are way off the mark with that one - no-one here has their head in the sand, no-one is ignoring terrorism, and I am quite insulted you should suggest that.