Found German ammo?

Discussion in 'Germany' started by MikeK6, Aug 15, 2011.

  1. MikeK6

    MikeK6 Junior Member

    I found this cartridge in July of 2011 on the shore-line of the Neva river just up-stream from Otradnoye outside of St. Petersburg. My Russian in-law father says it's German. The cartridge had deformation on the far-side, - which leads me to believe it was the cause of a gun jam. Even my in-laws now use the German concrete bunker as a storage shed.

    Any ideas as to whether it's Russian or German? And what gun could have it come from. Not that I'm married to it, - just kind of wondering if it's worth any money here in the states.

    My son and I found alot more catridge casings with either a F-103 marking or a P-?o3 marking, - sometimes copper (or steel) based on that it's eithe red or green corrosion. They appear to be a dime-a-dozen.


    I've included a pic of the what I call the 'bunker'. It's the cement portion of the shed.
    I just noticed that there's actually a step in diameter at just below the 12 in mark on the ruler. I've looked for pics on the internet, - none have this kind of step.

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  2. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    If I am correct its french Lebel, have found them also at Arnhem/Oosterbeek
  3. bern

    bern Senior Member

    Just out of interest any chance of a photo of the bunker?
  4. gunbunnyB/3/75FA

    gunbunnyB/3/75FA Senior Member

    um, not to second guess any one but i belive that is a round for the sturmgeshwehr 44, which used a shorter round than the standard k98. which of course is german. and was the true father of the ak47.
  5. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Hmm, when did the STG44 start being used in significant numbers, Winter 44-45? The Germans were forced from the Leningrad whereabouts in Jan'44, so that seems unlikely.

    As for your last statement, what are your reasons?
  6. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    My guess in that Philip is correct with Lebel. They are really weird with a tapered case plus a bottleneck or shoulder. And rimmed, of course.

  7. Hyacynth

    Hyacynth Member

    I checked with hubby and he says it looks like a standard 7.62 x 54 rimmed Russian!

    What is the diameter of the rim, that would confirm it

  8. MikeK6

    MikeK6 Junior Member

    I added a pict of the bunker.
  9. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Hi all,

    The Sturmgewehr used a rimless (or recessed rim) cartridge,

    I don't believe the picture in the original post is for a Sturmgewehr.


    Sturmgewehr cartridge below

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  10. brit plumber

    brit plumber Member

    It is a 8mmx50r, AKA 8mm Lebel. The russian 7.62x54r has near parallel sides.

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