Forest of Lyons AKA Forêt de Lyons (Eure) and it's surrounding villlages.

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  1. Oldleg

    Oldleg Well-Known Member

    I am researching the history of my local village and I wanted to know if I could find some photos that date from the period of 1939-1945. The area I am interested in are the forest of Lyons (Forêt de Lyons), Lyons La Forêt, Lisors, Abbaye de Mortemer, Fleury Sur Andelle, La Feuillie, Le Tronquay, La Haye.

    I know that in 1940 the Germans bombed the forest as the French 10th division with general Weygand were here along with the 10th Hussars. It was then occupied and the area was bombed on several occasions. One the night of 9/10 August 1944 a weapons/fuel depot was bombed near La Haye. There were also several plane crashes in the area of Lancasters ND533 EA-M, ME614 JO-K, Mosquito HK315 FK-H and Halifax LW143 DY-O. I already have photos of the crew of ND533 and HK315 but any other photos of the planes, crash sites, the BLA or any regiments that were in the area would be much appreciated. Also, in Saussay La Campagne there are two members of 15th (Scottish) reconaissance regiment Joseph Denis Roebuck 14218951 and Charles William Young 6475016. If anyone has photos of any of these that would be great!!! If anyone can also help me contact their relatives that would also be a bonus as I (a british ex-pat) am a member of the souvenir Française and we look after the graves of our fallen allied heroes.
  2. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

    Perhaps TD can work his magic on siblings?


  3. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    Digitised files are held by the National Archives of Australia ( on the loss of this aircraft with Aussie crew on board:

    File type - Casualty - Repatriation; Aircraft - Lancaster ME614; Place - Lyons La Foret, France; Date - 4 July 1944

    DUNFORD, Patrick - (Flight Sergeant); Service Number - RAAF 418258

    WEBB N E – (Pilot Officer); Service Number – RAAF 420726

    HENDRY T – (Sergeant); Service Number – [SIZE=13.376px]RAF [/SIZE][SIZE=13.376px]2215589[/SIZE]

    CONNOR A A – (Flying Officer); Service Number – [SIZE=13.376px]RAAF [/SIZE]10981

    FLETCHER R G – (Flying Officer); Service Number – [SIZE=13.376px]RAAF [/SIZE]414792

    HARRISON L – (Flying Officer); Service Number – [SIZE=13.376px]RAAF [/SIZE]420009

    McLOUD J M – (Flying Officer); Service Number – [SIZE=13.376px]RAAF [/SIZE]412189

    GILLETT A O – (Flight Sergeant); Service Number – [SIZE=13.376px]RAAF [/SIZE]417831

    Attached Files:

  4. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    Digitised files are held by the National Archives of Australia ( on the loss of this aircraft with Aussie crew on board:

    File type - Casualty - Repatriation; Aircraft - Halifax LW 143; Place - Blainville Sur L'Eau, France; Date - 29 June 1944

    CAMPBELL, Nigel Douglas - (Flight Sergeant); Service Number - 426774

    PARDON N A – (Flight Sergeant); Service Number – 419211 RAAF

    EAGLE A D – (Sergeant); Service Number – RAF 1580682

    LEVEBINGTON R L – (Sergeant); Service Number – RAF 1254416

    JOYCE R W – (Sergeant); Service Number – 1850911 RAF

    LESLIE D F – (Sergeant); Service Number – 628605 RAF

    WILSON J – (Flight Sergeant); Service Number – 121105 RAF

    Attached Files:

  5. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    The National Archives of Australia ( holds non-digitised files regarding the loss of this aircraft with Aussie crew on board:

    File type - Casualty - Repatriation; Aircraft - Lancaster ND533; Place - Target Etampes, France; Date - 10 June 1944

    MacFADYEN, Duncan - (Flying Officer); Service Number - 425178 RAAF

    BELL B E – (Flying Officer); Service Number – 151471 RAF

    HOLMES S – (Sergeant); Service Number – 1810022 RAF

    HOLDEN J – (Sergeant); Service Number – 1521290 RAF

    CLARK H D – (Pilot Officer); Service Number – 159223 RAF

    HEMMENS P H – (Flying Officer); Service Number – 152583 RAF

    REED J J – (Sergeant); Service Number – 1281835 RAF
  6. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    No files at NAA for the loss of Mosquito HK315

    Can I suggest that you add any info you already have to this thread such as the names & other details of the casualties from this aircraft loss.

    Also add the photos you do have of the crew of ND533 and HK315

    I see one of the uses of this forum and these sorts of posts is that someday a relative / loved one of a casualty will be researching that person and be drawn here by google thanks to the addition of surnames, service numbers etc.
  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Joseph Dennis Roebuck -
    Name: Joseph D Roebuck
    Mother's Maiden Surname: Wardell
    Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1924
    Registration district: Middlesbrough
    Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
    Volume Number: 9d
    Page Number: 944

    Parents Joseph Roebuck and Edith Wardell - married 1922 (Guisborough, Yorkshire North Riding)

    His only other sibling is:

    Name: Margaret B Roebuck
    Mother's Maiden Surname: Wardell
    Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1928
    Registration district: Guisborough
    Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
    Volume Number: 9d
    Page Number: 722

    It seems she died a spinster - although this is not a 100% guaranteed answer

    Name: Margaret Roebuck
    Birth Date: 2 Oct 1928
    Date of Registration: Jun 1991
    Age at Death: 62
    Registration district: Chesterfield
    Inferred County: Derbyshire
    Volume: 6
    Page: 313

    J D Roebuck:
    UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945

    Name: Joseph Roebuck
    Given Initials: J D
    Rank: Trooper
    Death Date: 29 Aug 1944
    Number: 14218951
    Birth Place: Middlesborough
    Residence: Yorkshire
    Branch at Enlistment: Royal Armoured Corps
    Theatre of War: Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45
    Regiment at Death: Reconnaissance Corps
    Branch at Death: Royal Armoured Corps

    England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

    Name: Joseph Dennis Roebuck
    Probate Date: 23 Jan 1945
    Registry: York, England
    Death Date: 29 Aug 1944
    Death Place: Yorkshire, York, England

    Seems he left his estate to an Arthur James Earnshaw - Schoolmaster - and not his sister ??

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  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member


    I have found 2 family trees that include Charles William Young, although they show him as William Charles Young (?)

    William Charles Young
    Birth: 12 Nov 1912 - London, England
    Death: 29 Aug 1944 - La Campagne, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
    F: William John Young (Noted on CWGC as W J Young)
    M: Ellen Guy (Noted on CWGC as Ellen)

    I will contact them later today to see what they have


    edited to add:
    The CWGC record has him as William Charles -- Not as Charles William (your post #1)


    Service No:6475016
    Date of Death:29/08/1944
    Regiment/Service:Reconnaissance Corps, R.A.C. 15th (Scottish) Regt.
    Grave Reference: Cemetery:SAUSSAY-LA-CAMPAGNE CHURCHYARD
    Additional Information:Son of W. J. Young and Ellen Young, of Southall, Middlesex.
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member


    I have sent messages to the owners of the two family trees for William Charles Young - need to wait and see what comes back

  10. Oldleg

    Oldleg Well-Known Member

    Tricky Dicky, that is fantastic!!!! Cheers mate! Hopefully as well as giving details on his history they may be able to help me solve a mystery that may be linked to his death. I know that they were attacked on August 29th 1944 and that apparently there was another vehicle which shot off. I am trying to find out if this 'other' vehicle hit a mine killing all on board;

    I am in London for the next 48 hours and may try to get to Kew archives.
  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member


    I would ramp down your expectations a little. He is mentioned in their tree but they may not be direct descendants of him, even if they know some descendants the information you you are asking for, may not be known by them. Not many people creating these trees go any further than finding out when and where people where born or died.

    As an example I have seen trees that the creator has accepted a person died in 1950 yet the next piece of info is that they also married in 1956 - facts are not always verified and logical.

    So I would suggest you carry on your research as if this 'discovery' never happened - sorry to dampen your parade but being realistic about what may be the result.

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  12. Oldleg

    Oldleg Well-Known Member

    TD, that is exactly what I was going to do. I just appreciate your help or any help that anyone is giving for this matter.
  13. Oldleg

    Oldleg Well-Known Member

    Dave MacFadyen is in fact not Australian, he was born in 1915 in Neilston, Renfrewshire, Scotland. His family immigrated in 1928 when he was 13.
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member


    I have had a response from the family tree originator that includes William Charles Young. He is attempting to contact living relatives and hopes to let me know something within a few days (probably more like a week or two).

    There are more family details he has sent me that I can PM you with, if you wish, but am reluctant to post them in a general forum, especially as he has kept his tree 'private' - at least at the moment.

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  15. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member


    A reply from the tree originator below which tallies with some info we have already but worth noting here as it includes his rank:

    " I can confirm that WCY [William Charles Young] in my tree is the correct one and it is him who's details are correct as below: Rank : Sgt - Service Number 647016 - Regt :Reconnaissance corps.(attached as part of the 15th Scottish Regt if the findings are correct?)"

    Will update as further info comes to light


    edited to add:
    I think his service number is 6475016 as in post #1 and CWGC details
  16. ptibel

    ptibel New Member

    I already have worked on WCY
    If you can access this link below, You will know all, if you can't, contact me
    Message Boards
    And if you find a member of JD Roebuck...
  17. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi ptibel,

    There are some details on that message board that members on here would
    very much appreciate seeing and reading, it might be worthwhile copying them across to here, as they will add very nicely to this thread.

    For example:
    Scottish Lion On Patrol Ch 9


    Quote "It's probably the last picture of WC Young and JD Roebuck, when they went through the town I live in." Unquote



  18. Ruth Allford

    Ruth Allford New Member

    It's been a while since anyone posted on this thread, but I've just come across it, so I'm hoping you'll still reply: I'm researching my mothers family tree, Beryl Allford ( nee: Roebuck), Joseph Dennis Roebuck was her brother.
    Any more info on the fate of WC Young and JD Roebuck would be gratefully appreciated, especially photographs.
  19. Oldleg

    Oldleg Well-Known Member

    Ruth, thank you for posting on this thread. I live not far from where the incident took place (about 5 Kms away) and would be interested to speak to you more about Mr Roebuck. If you PM me your email address we can speak that way.

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