For you tomorrow E.W.Martyn

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  1. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Does anyone has this book, and if so, could one make a scna of me of the pages concerning Pilot McLeod, crashed at Rheden/De Steeg Netherlands 25-12-1944.

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. nicks

    nicks Very Senior Member

    Philip

    The following is from FCL Vol 3 1944-45 N Franks;

    25th December 1944

    66 Sqn Spitfire XVI SM211 W/O I D Mcleod RNZAF +

    Armed recce, am. Shot down in flames by flak when attacking a train near Dieren. Buried Rheden General Cemetery.
    Although the CWGC has him listed as a Pilot Officer.

    CWGC :: Casualty Details

    Regards,

    Nick

    ps - I've pm'd you the address you requested.
     
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  3. Oggie2620

    Oggie2620 Senior Member

    I have this book and will attempt to scan Vols 1& 3 for you reference Ian McLeod.

    May have to email it to you unless I can reduce the size of the scan!

    Dee
     
  4. Oggie2620

    Oggie2620 Senior Member

    Hi

    Vol 1 doesnt cover 1944 and I couldnt scan volume 3 without breaking the spine but the entry is as follows:
    McLeod, Pilot Officer Ian Douglas :poppy:
    NZ42429, born Invercargill 1 Oct 21; S'land TColl, Invercargill, tractor driver - P McLeod, Glencoe. RNZAF Levin/ITW as Airman Pilot u/t 12 Jan 42, 1EFTS 8 Mar 42, 1SFTS 2 May 42, Pilot Badge (wef 31 Aug 42) & Sgt 17 Oct 42, att RAF & emb for UK 2 Dec 42, 11PD&RC 3 Feb 43, 10FIS 7 Apr 43, 12PD&RC 25 Jun 43, 17(P)AFU 6 Jul 43 (hosp 13 Aug-1 Sep), 61 OTU (Spitfire) 30 Nov 43, 1TEU (Spitfire) 8 Mar 44, 84GSU (Spitfire) 9 Jun 44, 68 Sqn (Spitfire-72 Ops) 4 Aug 44, Comm 20 Dec 44, kao 25 Dec 44 Rheden (Heiderust) General Cemetary - Grave 9 Gelderland, Netherlands. Son of Alexander & Catherine McLeod (nee Ogilvie), Glencoe.

    Not a nice Christmas present for his relatives after surviving 72 Ops. The above also explains the difference in ranks shown in the previous information people have posted. Bless him he probably didnt even know it had been confirmed.

    If you contact the Auckland War Memorial Museum they may have a photograph of this young man. They were able to provide one of the New Zealander I was researching. I will contact Errol Martyn and ask him if he can pm the details hes got in Volume 2 of his trilogy and then copy it to here.

    Hope this helps.
    Dee
     
  5. Southerner

    Southerner Junior Member

    G'day Men,

    I was randomly doing some research, pertaining to my family, when I came across this post.

    Firstly, may I ask why you are enquiring about this man? Do you have a connection to him?

    Ian Douglas Mcleod is my / was my mothers Uncle.

    I have some photos and other items, but would like to understand where you are coming from pertaining to this issue.

    I would like to help you out, as I have already learnt something from the above 3 or 4 posts.

    Kind Regards

    Phil C

    "Southerner"
     
  6. Southerner

    Southerner Junior Member

    eeekkk, in reading that, it didnt seem that friendly, sorry bout that.

    Not a nice Christmas present for his relatives after surviving 72 Ops. The above also explains the difference in ranks shown in the previous information people have posted. Bless him he probably didnt even know it had been confirmed.



    This is true...and caused some confusion in the family also.
     
  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Welcome to the forum

    For info:Forum members on this site do a lot of research into WW2, people ,places and events to keep that particular era in public view ,never to be forgotten.
    It would be appreciated if you could upload any information you have if not deemed to personal

    regards
    Clive
     
  8. Oldman

    Oldman Very Senior Member

    Southerner
    Welcome to the forum
    Hope you can assist in research by sharing your knowledge
     
  9. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Thanks Phil and Clive pm answered :)
     
  10. Southerner

    Southerner Junior Member

    G'day Clive thanks for that, due to the fact that someone is looking into this and I'm sure the family would appreciate it, knowing that someone is remembering Ian, I will post some pics.

    http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n604/SouthernerNZ/IanDouglasMcLeod008SpitfireBelguim1044.jpg

    http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n604/SouthernerNZ/IanDouglasMcLeod002.jpg

    http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n604/SouthernerNZ/IanDouglasMcLeod011-1.jpg

    Sorry about the direct links men, for some reason the HTML code wasn't working (little box of white with x of doom).
     
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  11. Oldman

    Oldman Very Senior Member

    Southerner
    Thanks for the pictures it great to be able to put a face to the name and the actual certificate sent by the government is interesting as you do not see too many of those
     
  12. Southerner

    Southerner Junior Member

    Thanks for the welcome men, and for the information about Ian, i.e. I had no idea the number of Operations he was involved with, and the family were all under the impression that he was an NCO until someone visited his grave side in Holland.
     
  13. Oggie2620

    Oggie2620 Senior Member

    Hi Southerner
    It was really nice to see the pics of Ian as it makes him seem closer. I am sure the Air Force Museum at Wigram would love copies for their archives.
    Denise (we arent all men LOL!)
     
  14. Daan

    Daan Èrnemmer for life!

    Philip, there's a mentioning of this crash in the Beumer en Rijnbende book on page 81 it says:

    "Ook stortte bij een soortgelijke aanval op een trein in De Steeg een toestel neer omdat het te laag dook en daardoor de boomtoppen raakte. Deze actie kostte hem het leven."

    (Saves you the trouble of translating!) This quote doesn't mention exactly the date 25-12-1944, but it's mentioned after a story in the fall of 1944. And there weren't that much crashes here, as you know.
     
  15. nicks

    nicks Very Senior Member

    G'day Clive thanks for that, due to the fact that someone is looking into this and I'm sure the family would appreciate it, knowing that someone is remembering Ian, I will post some pics.

    Thanks for adding the photos, interesting.
     
  16. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Thanks Daan, Cor is doing some research about this
     
  17. Daan

    Daan Èrnemmer for life!

    Thanks Daan, Cor is doing some research about this

    There is nothing more mentioned in the other "streekgebonden historie mbt 1940-1945 in deze gemeente". But I could ask some of the old folk at the SuperCOOP :D.
     
  18. Southerner

    Southerner Junior Member

    Denise (we arent all men LOL!)

    Soooo sorry bout that...

    Denise do you have any contacts at Wigram? otherwise I will contact them, I will also send the pics to the Auckland war memorial and Cenotaph.

    I have found a website, with some more info, started by my mothers cousin (Ian Mcleod)(I also have a cousin Ian Mcleod).

    Makes for some interesting reading.

    A Southland Airman's Grave close to Arnhem in the Netherlands

    I am currently trying to contact them but the email address is wrong.
     
  19. luthermoore

    luthermoore Junior Member

    HI guys, If anyone has any info about two pilots who are my Great Uncles one is Peter George Moore, who went missing in the pacific in 1945, he flew a F4U corsair he belonged to the 14 Squadron RNZAF and the other one was Bernard Joseph Schollum. All I know about him is that he was Killed on air operations in 1943, in over Holland, I think, he was in the RoyalNew Zealand Air Force, 149 Squadron, RAF.
    I have done a bit of research and someone told me to check out a book called
    For your tomorrow E.W.Martyn, if anyone has that book and could check if they are in there it would be greatly appreciated.
     
  20. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Welcome Luthermoore.

    Even though you are associating E.W. Martyn you should ask one of the mods to give your query its own thread in your introduction as it will get lost here.

    This is all I can offer in report form as the Captain (Pilot) was an RAAF member.

    RAAF PERSONNEL SERVING ON ATTACHMENT IN ROYAL AIR FORCE
    SQUADRONS AND SUPPORT UNITS IN WORLD WAR 2 AND MISSING WITH
    NO KNOWN GRAVE.
    413386 Flight Sergeant HOTCHKIS, George Stewart
    Source:
    NAA : A705, 166/18/193
    Aircraft Type: Stirling
    Serial number: EF 495
    Radio call sign: OJ – R
    Unit: 149 Sqn RAF
    Summary:
    Stirling EF 495 of 149 Sqn RAF took off from RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, at 8.05pm on
    27 September 1943, to attack Hanover, Germany. At 0057am on the 28th a weak distress
    signal was received indicating the aircraft was flying very low over the North sea.
    Nothing further was heard and the aircraft failed to return to base.
    Crew:
    RAAF 413386 Flt Sgt Hotchkis, G S Captain (Pilot)
    RAF Sgt Crowe, J W (Navigator)
    RNZAF Flt Sgt Schollum, B J (Wireless Operator Air Gunner)
    RAF PO Bevan, C J W (Air Bomber)
    RAF Sgt Tweedie, D F (Flight Engineer)
    RAF Sgt Lyons, P (Air Gunner)
    RAF Sgt Clifford, B (Air Gunner)
    Sgts Crowe, Tweedie and Lyons all of the RAF became POW’s, and in later statements
    they reported that when they abandoned the aircraft the skipper was alive and well in the
    flying aircraft, and he endeavoured to try and fly the aircraft back to the UK.
    German documents later established that the aircraft crashed near Lingen and all the
    remaining crew members were killed. Post war searches revealed no trace of the missing
    four members and it was recorded that they had lost their lives at sea.
    In Memory of
    Flight Sergeant BERNARD JOSEPH SCHOLLUM

    421992, 149 (R.A.F.) Sqdn., Royal New Zealand Air Force
    who died age 19
    on 27 September 1943
    Son of Joseph James Schollum and Annie Magdalene Schollum, of Ahuroa, Auckland, New Zealand.
    Remembered with honour
    RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL


    In Memory of
    Pilot Officer PETER GEORGE MOORE

    4212771, Royal New Zealand Air Force
    who died age 23
    on 31 May 1945
    Son of George Moore and of Marie Moore (nee Dalton); husband of Olive Moore, of Tokomaru Bay, Auckland, New Zealand.
    Remembered with honour
    BOURAIL MEMORIAL


    With reference to Moore, the warbirds site states he was in an accident however it seems strange unless the crash or loss was over water. Seems a little doubtful that the helmet was the only item found.

    [​IMG] Ref. No. 200a. RNZAF PACIFIC FIGHTER PILOT FLYING HELMET. Circa 1940. Canvas. Khaki. Zipped ear covers. Inner ear covers are chamois. Inner label reads “RNZAF Size 6 7/8 7” Written below this “F/O Moore”. “F/O Moore” also written under both ear covers on inside. Buckle missing from chin strap. There is a reference to F/O D.A. Moore in “Too Young to Die” who crashed Corsair NZ5547 on 20 July 1945 at Ardmore after running out of fuel. He landed short of 03 and was uninjured. Other Pacific pilots named F/O Moore include F/O Alexander Moore, who was lost Espiritu Santo after bailing out of Dauntless NZ5037 (which is displayed in RNZAF Museum). No “Moores” mentioned in By Such Deeds flew in the Pacific. There is a good chance the helmet was therefore owned by F/O D A Moore. Further info – could be Donald Alexander Moore or Peter George Moore who was in a P-40 accident with 14 Squadron and killed in a Corsair 1945

    I don't think we have any photos of his name on the memorial at New Caledonia however the Runnymede photo is on this site.

    RM panel 199 top.JPG

    Cheers

    Geoff
     

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