For you tomorrow E.W.Martyn

Does anyone has this book, and if so, could one make a scna of me of the pages concerning Pilot McLeod, crashed at Rheden/De Steeg Netherlands 25-12-1944.

Thanks in advance

 

Philip

The following is from FCL Vol 3 1944-45 N Franks;

25th December 1944

66 Sqn Spitfire XVI SM211 W/O I D Mcleod RNZAF +

Armed recce, am. Shot down in flames by flak when attacking a train near Dieren. Buried Rheden General Cemetery.
Although the CWGC has him listed as a Pilot Officer.

CWGC :: Casualty Details

Regards,

Nick

ps - I've pm'd you the address you requested.

 

I have this book and will attempt to scan Vols 1& 3 for you reference Ian McLeod.

May have to email it to you unless I can reduce the size of the scan!

Dee

 

Hi

Vol 1 doesnt cover 1944 and I couldnt scan volume 3 without breaking the spine but the entry is as follows:
McLeod, Pilot Officer Ian Douglas
NZ42429, born Invercargill 1 Oct 21; S'land TColl, Invercargill, tractor driver - P McLeod, Glencoe. RNZAF Levin/ITW as Airman Pilot u/t 12 Jan 42, 1EFTS 8 Mar 42, 1SFTS 2 May 42, Pilot Badge (wef 31 Aug 42) & Sgt 17 Oct 42, att RAF & emb for UK 2 Dec 42, 11PD&RC 3 Feb 43, 10FIS 7 Apr 43, 12PD&RC 25 Jun 43, 17(P)AFU 6 Jul 43 (hosp 13 Aug-1 Sep), 61 OTU (Spitfire) 30 Nov 43, 1TEU (Spitfire) 8 Mar 44, 84GSU (Spitfire) 9 Jun 44, 68 Sqn (Spitfire-72 Ops) 4 Aug 44, Comm 20 Dec 44, kao 25 Dec 44 Rheden (Heiderust) General Cemetary - Grave 9 Gelderland, Netherlands. Son of Alexander & Catherine McLeod (nee Ogilvie), Glencoe.

Not a nice Christmas present for his relatives after surviving 72 Ops. The above also explains the difference in ranks shown in the previous information people have posted. Bless him he probably didnt even know it had been confirmed.

If you contact the Auckland War Memorial Museum they may have a photograph of this young man. They were able to provide one of the New Zealander I was researching. I will contact Errol Martyn and ask him if he can pm the details hes got in Volume 2 of his trilogy and then copy it to here.

Hope this helps.
Dee

 

G'day Men,

I was randomly doing some research, pertaining to my family, when I came across this post.

Firstly, may I ask why you are enquiring about this man? Do you have a connection to him?

Ian Douglas Mcleod is my / was my mothers Uncle.

I have some photos and other items, but would like to understand where you are coming from pertaining to this issue.

I would like to help you out, as I have already learnt something from the above 3 or 4 posts.

Kind Regards

Phil C

"Southerner"

 

eeekkk, in reading that, it didnt seem that friendly, sorry bout that.

Not a nice Christmas present for his relatives after surviving 72 Ops. The above also explains the difference in ranks shown in the previous information people have posted. Bless him he probably didnt even know it had been confirmed.



This is true...and caused some confusion in the family also.

 

Welcome to the forum

For info:Forum members on this site do a lot of research into WW2, people ,places and events to keep that particular era in public view ,never to be forgotten.
It would be appreciated if you could upload any information you have if not deemed to personal

regards
Clive

 

Southerner
Welcome to the forum
Hope you can assist in research by sharing your knowledge

 

Thanks Phil and Clive pm answered

 

G'day Clive thanks for that, due to the fact that someone is looking into this and I'm sure the family would appreciate it, knowing that someone is remembering Ian, I will post some pics.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n604/SouthernerNZ/IanDouglasMcLeod008SpitfireBelguim1044.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n604/SouthernerNZ/IanDouglasMcLeod002.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n604/SouthernerNZ/IanDouglasMcLeod011-1.jpg

Sorry about the direct links men, for some reason the HTML code wasn't working (little box of white with x of doom).

 

Southerner
Thanks for the pictures it great to be able to put a face to the name and the actual certificate sent by the government is interesting as you do not see too many of those

 

Thanks for the welcome men, and for the information about Ian, i.e. I had no idea the number of Operations he was involved with, and the family were all under the impression that he was an NCO until someone visited his grave side in Holland.

 

Hi Southerner
It was really nice to see the pics of Ian as it makes him seem closer. I am sure the Air Force Museum at Wigram would love copies for their archives.
Denise (we arent all men LOL!)

 

Philip, there's a mentioning of this crash in the Beumer en Rijnbende book on page 81 it says:

"Ook stortte bij een soortgelijke aanval op een trein in De Steeg een toestel neer omdat het te laag dook en daardoor de boomtoppen raakte. Deze actie kostte hem het leven."

(Saves you the trouble of translating!) This quote doesn't mention exactly the date 25-12-1944, but it's mentioned after a story in the fall of 1944. And there weren't that much crashes here, as you know.

 

G'day Clive thanks for that, due to the fact that someone is looking into this and I'm sure the family would appreciate it, knowing that someone is remembering Ian, I will post some pics.

Thanks for adding the photos, interesting.

 

Thanks Daan, Cor is doing some research about this

 

Thanks Daan, Cor is doing some research about this

There is nothing more mentioned in the other "streekgebonden historie mbt 1940-1945 in deze gemeente". But I could ask some of the old folk at the SuperCOOP .

 

Denise (we arent all men LOL!)

Soooo sorry bout that...

Denise do you have any contacts at Wigram? otherwise I will contact them, I will also send the pics to the Auckland war memorial and Cenotaph.

I have found a website, with some more info, started by my mothers cousin (Ian Mcleod)(I also have a cousin Ian Mcleod).

Makes for some interesting reading.

A Southland Airman's Grave close to Arnhem in the Netherlands

I am currently trying to contact them but the email address is wrong.

 

HI guys, If anyone has any info about two pilots who are my Great Uncles one is Peter George Moore, who went missing in the pacific in 1945, he flew a F4U corsair he belonged to the 14 Squadron RNZAF and the other one was Bernard Joseph Schollum. All I know about him is that he was Killed on air operations in 1943, in over Holland, I think, he was in the RoyalNew Zealand Air Force, 149 Squadron, RAF.
I have done a bit of research and someone told me to check out a book called
For your tomorrow E.W.Martyn, if anyone has that book and could check if they are in there it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Welcome Luthermoore.

Even though you are associating E.W. Martyn you should ask one of the mods to give your query its own thread in your introduction as it will get lost here.

This is all I can offer in report form as the Captain (Pilot) was an RAAF member.

RAAF PERSONNEL SERVING ON ATTACHMENT IN ROYAL AIR FORCE
SQUADRONS AND SUPPORT UNITS IN WORLD WAR 2 AND MISSING WITH
NO KNOWN GRAVE.
413386 Flight Sergeant HOTCHKIS, George Stewart
Source:
NAA : A705, 166/18/193
Aircraft Type: Stirling
Serial number: EF 495
Radio call sign: OJ – R
Unit: 149 Sqn RAF
Summary:
Stirling EF 495 of 149 Sqn RAF took off from RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, at 8.05pm on
27 September 1943, to attack Hanover, Germany. At 0057am on the 28th a weak distress
signal was received indicating the aircraft was flying very low over the North sea.
Nothing further was heard and the aircraft failed to return to base.
Crew:
RAAF 413386 Flt Sgt Hotchkis, G S Captain (Pilot)
RAF Sgt Crowe, J W (Navigator)
RNZAF Flt Sgt Schollum, B J (Wireless Operator Air Gunner)
RAF PO Bevan, C J W (Air Bomber)
RAF Sgt Tweedie, D F (Flight Engineer)
RAF Sgt Lyons, P (Air Gunner)
RAF Sgt Clifford, B (Air Gunner)
Sgts Crowe, Tweedie and Lyons all of the RAF became POW’s, and in later statements
they reported that when they abandoned the aircraft the skipper was alive and well in the
flying aircraft, and he endeavoured to try and fly the aircraft back to the UK.
German documents later established that the aircraft crashed near Lingen and all the
remaining crew members were killed. Post war searches revealed no trace of the missing
four members and it was recorded that they had lost their lives at sea.
In Memory of
Flight Sergeant BERNARD JOSEPH SCHOLLUM

421992, 149 (R.A.F.) Sqdn., Royal New Zealand Air Force
who died age 19
on 27 September 1943
Son of Joseph James Schollum and Annie Magdalene Schollum, of Ahuroa, Auckland, New Zealand.
Remembered with honour
RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL


In Memory of
Pilot Officer PETER GEORGE MOORE

4212771, Royal New Zealand Air Force
who died age 23
on 31 May 1945
Son of George Moore and of Marie Moore (nee Dalton); husband of Olive Moore, of Tokomaru Bay, Auckland, New Zealand.
Remembered with honour
BOURAIL MEMORIAL


With reference to Moore, the warbirds site states he was in an accident however it seems strange unless the crash or loss was over water. Seems a little doubtful that the helmet was the only item found.

Ref. No. 200a. RNZAF PACIFIC FIGHTER PILOT FLYING HELMET. Circa 1940. Canvas. Khaki. Zipped ear covers. Inner ear covers are chamois. Inner label reads “RNZAF Size 6 7/8 7” Written below this “F/O Moore”. “F/O Moore” also written under both ear covers on inside. Buckle missing from chin strap. There is a reference to F/O D.A. Moore in “Too Young to Die” who crashed Corsair NZ5547 on 20 July 1945 at Ardmore after running out of fuel. He landed short of 03 and was uninjured. Other Pacific pilots named F/O Moore include F/O Alexander Moore, who was lost Espiritu Santo after bailing out of Dauntless NZ5037 (which is displayed in RNZAF Museum). No “Moores” mentioned in By Such Deeds flew in the Pacific. There is a good chance the helmet was therefore owned by F/O D A Moore. Further info – could be Donald Alexander Moore or Peter George Moore who was in a P-40 accident with 14 Squadron and killed in a Corsair 1945

I don't think we have any photos of his name on the memorial at New Caledonia however the Runnymede photo is on this site.



Cheers

Geoff