Finding Damaged CWGC Headstones

Discussion in 'War Cemeteries & War Memorial Research' started by Drew5233, Mar 9, 2010.

  1. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Apologies if there is a similiar thread already.

    I came across this today:

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    Does anyone know if a quick email/phone call to CWGC will suffice or do you have to go through reels of red tape (form filling and photographs) to get this headstone replaced?

    Cheers
    Andy
     
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  2. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    Andy just send them an Email with the photo attached.

    I did so yesterday regarding the Spelling of St HYBALDS Churchyard.
     
  3. Doc

    Doc Senior Member

    In my experience, they are VERY responsive to emails. Give them the cemetery and the name, and someone will take a look very rapidly. I have turned in chipped ones, cracked ones, etc., and the responses have ranged from "We visited, and you are right-- we have already got a new one being made" to "Thanks, we have looked at it and think it can last till the end of the year. We will put it in the maintenance queue." In the case of the one you have found, I suspect they will take care of it immediately. They also appreciate comments on their Cemetery information pages on their website-- I have had them change directions, descriptions, and even the name of one Cemetery when their site was found to be in error. They do appreciate input from the public. Doc
     
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  4. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    The CWGC do a really great job. :poppy::poppy:
     
  5. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    The Leeds (Cottingley Hall) CWGC entries show this is a joint grave, as evidenced by the closeness of the two headstones. It seems odd that only one should have been broken if a deliberate act, unless disturbed.

    I assume there must be some connection between the Murray and Hutchinson families for Leonard Lockwood 1488229 Royal Artillery (who died 12/09/1940) and John to be buried side by side.

    Does anyone have any background?
     
  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Hi Kevin..I thought exactly the same as you and did wonder if or what the connection was.

    A
     
  7. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

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    Sad sight...Sad end killed at a Battle of Britain Display at Middleton St George 17th September 1949 3053074 Navigator D Hall.
     
  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Not nice to see, but I'm sure I don't need to point out that is not a CWGC headstone.
    It's a private one in the style of.
     
  9. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    Not nice to see, but I'm sure I don't need to point out that is not a CWGC headstone.
    It's a private one in the style of.



    Hi Owen ,
    It certainly is post war but according to the gardener I spoke to it is a MoD (Air Ministry)stone but apparently in the care of the CWGC (cannot verify it).it had been laid flat because it was becoming dangerous.....anyway who ever has responsibility hopefully he`ll get it sorted ....the plot itself apart from this one was very impressive the post war graves (and theres a lot are positioned in front and just behind ) a solitary German Grave of a sailor sits alone not far away from this spot
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  10. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Not nice to see, but I'm sure I don't need to point out that is not a CWGC headstone.
    It's a private one in the style of.

    Can't find anything on this but I wonder if these two are connected to the incident:

    Name: HARTLEY
    Initials: F
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Pilot I
    Regiment: Royal Air Force
    Date of Death: 17/09/1949
    Casualty Type: Non World War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Row E Grave 19.
    Cemetery: BURY CEMETERY


    Name: HOOPER
    Initials: D T
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Signaller II
    Regiment: Royal Air Force
    Date of Death: 17/09/1949
    Service No: 1890478
    Casualty Type: Non World War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Row L Grave 245.
    Cemetery: RAMSEY CEMETERY
     
  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

  12. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    Good first post with attachment by Rob (Ramacal) here

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-grave-photographs/24726-cwgc-headstone-shapes.html
    ASN Aircraft accident 17-SEP-1949 Vickers Wellington NC430

    The Wellington T.10 at Middleton St George was NC430 of No 2 Air Navigation School, dived into the ground on 17 Sept 1949 after a parachute fouled the elevator during a display.
    Airshow-related Accidents [Archive] - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums


    Well Found Clive.

    Wellington T10 NC430 of Number 2 Air
    Navigation School which crashed at Middleton St George on 17 September 1949
    during their annual Battle of Britain at Home Day killing its crew of 6.

    Miscellaneous
    17/09/1949 Wellington T.10 NC430 2ANS Dived into ground during dummy parachute demonstration at Middleton St. George when a chute fouled the flight controls


    Aircraft crashes and losses in North East England
     
  13. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I stand corrected , Air Ministry one it is.
    Hope it gets re-erected soonish.
     
  14. ronjoan

    ronjoan Junior Member

    I happened across this thread as I was browsing. My father was one of the six crew that died in this accident 62 years ago today. I visited the headstones a few years ago and they were all in good order and so I was surprised to see this damage. I was born six months after my father's death and so do not know much about his life in the RAF and so would be interested to hear from anyone who has more information about this accident or his war record.
     
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  15. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    Yes, if you contact the CWGC they will confirm if they are already awar of the damaged headstone in question.

    Earlier in 2011 there was a damaged CWGC headstone close to where one of my relatives is buried (WW1 casualty). Similar to the one in your photograph there was only half a headstone remaining. They did actually know of it when I contacted them and a new one was on order. It has recently (late August 2011) been replaced.
     

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