European Civil War

Discussion in 'Historiography' started by Owen, Sep 28, 2012.

  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Went around la Carrière Wellington in Arras today & really enjoyed it but let out an 'Argh' at end of the 10 minute film when the commentary end with something like ''...some called it a European Civil War.''
    Kids told me to ''shush''.
     
  2. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    According to the wiki "this article has many issues" ;) and "may present fringe theories without giving appropriate weight to the mainstream"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Civil_War#/media/File:Latest_War_Map_of_Europe_1870.jpg

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    Presumably by this stance of any war in Europe potentially being "a civil war" then any war in any part of the world would thereby be a "world war", classic :D I wonder which "world war" we are up to now then??!

    Just Googling to see when Europe was most unified:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=When+was+europe+most+unified&oq=When+was+europe+most+unified+&aqs=chrome..69i57.6044j1j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

    This page oddly seems to miss out Rome:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_of_European_unity_before_1945

    But... The name Europe originally referred to only the south-eastern part of the continent

    So maybe any Balkan war - ??? Perhaps ???

    But "back then" Asia and Africa were also differently defined...

    Europe: http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/maps/ss/mapsindex.htm#step5

    And Herodotus: http://f.tqn.com/y/ancienthistory/1/S/0/f/2/herodot.gif

    Here: http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/maps/ss/mapsindex.htm

    World View of Herodotus, from The Atlas of Ancient and Classical Geography by Samuel Butler, Ernest Rhys, editor (Suffolk, 1907, repr. 1908)


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    Seems to lack Ireland and Great Britain as being a part of Europe at all ;)
     
  3. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake Gunner Tours

    The idea of wars between European states as a civil war goes back to the concept of Europe as the christian, civilized world, based on the Roman and then Holy Roman Empire whose citizens shared a common faith, heritage and laws. War between Christian states was "Civil War."
     
  4. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    civil

    ˈsɪv(ə)l,-ɪl/

    adjective





    1. relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.
      "civil aviation"
      synonyms: secular, non-religious, lay; More


















    2. courteous and polite.
      "they were comparatively civil to their daughter"
      synonyms: polite, courteous, well mannered, well bred, gentlemanly, chivalrous,gallant, ladylike, gracious, respectful; More


      Def. Not WW2 then... "whose citizens shared a common faith, heritage and laws" :pipe:

      And my dictionary defines a "Civil War" as a war between the citizens of the same country. Even the EU can't claim to have made the whole of Europe one country quite yet ;)




     

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