European Civil War

Discussion in 'Historiography' started by Owen, Sep 28, 2012.

  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Went around la Carrière Wellington in Arras today & really enjoyed it but let out an 'Argh' at end of the 10 minute film when the commentary end with something like ''...some called it a European Civil War.''
    Kids told me to ''shush''.
  2. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    According to the wiki "this article has many issues" ;) and "may present fringe theories without giving appropriate weight to the mainstream"


    Presumably by this stance of any war in Europe potentially being "a civil war" then any war in any part of the world would thereby be a "world war", classic :D I wonder which "world war" we are up to now then??!

    Just Googling to see when Europe was most unified:

    This page oddly seems to miss out Rome:

    But... The name Europe originally referred to only the south-eastern part of the continent

    So maybe any Balkan war - ??? Perhaps ???

    But "back then" Asia and Africa were also differently defined...


    And Herodotus:


    World View of Herodotus, from The Atlas of Ancient and Classical Geography by Samuel Butler, Ernest Rhys, editor (Suffolk, 1907, repr. 1908)


    Seems to lack Ireland and Great Britain as being a part of Europe at all ;)
  3. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake Gunner Tours

    The idea of wars between European states as a civil war goes back to the concept of Europe as the christian, civilized world, based on the Roman and then Holy Roman Empire whose citizens shared a common faith, heritage and laws. War between Christian states was "Civil War."
  4. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY




    1. relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.
      "civil aviation"
      synonyms: secular, non-religious, lay; More

    2. courteous and polite.
      "they were comparatively civil to their daughter"
      synonyms: polite, courteous, well mannered, well bred, gentlemanly, chivalrous,gallant, ladylike, gracious, respectful; More

      Def. Not WW2 then... "whose citizens shared a common faith, heritage and laws" :pipe:

      And my dictionary defines a "Civil War" as a war between the citizens of the same country. Even the EU can't claim to have made the whole of Europe one country quite yet ;)


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