Eric Emptage HARVEY - RAOC

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by temptage, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. temptage

    temptage Who said this would be easy?

    This one is intriguing both me and my dad.

    I found a memorial inscription for this gentleman in Scartho Road Cemetery, Grimsby.

    It reads:



    AGE DE 38 ANS

    Now, the MI doesnt really matter, and research is currently ongoing regarding a possible marriage to a French/Algerian/Tunisian/Egyptian woman, but details that my dad unearthed have added an extra dimension.

    He was born in 1908, died on 7th Feb 1946 aged 38
    He was an ex-serviceman.
    He was a Lance Corporal in the RAOC
    His service number was 7585657

    Unfortunately I havent been able to find out any more details about him, even with those details. All I have had confirmed is that his service number does indeed place him in the RAOC.........and thats it!!! :indexCAXI2NHN:

    If anybody else could shed ANY light on this one it would be seriously appreciated by both myself and the old fella too. :Cartangry:
  2. temptage

    temptage Who said this would be easy?

    Just bumping this thread as I never got any replies last time.
  3. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    That is an odd one?

    I take it "ICI REPOSE YA HABIBTY HUSBAND" means something like "Here Lies My Darling (or dear, or beloved) Husband"? An odd mix of French, Arabic and English. Or am I totally off with that?

    "BORROSKIFF" at this point yields absolutely nothing. One possibility there is "BORROSKI, FF". Emptage is more likely to be a surname than a forename, but that is hardly helpful.

    I suppose he doesn't turn up on CWGC because he died an ex-serviceman. I couldn't even get as far as your Father, but it may encourage others to have a go ...

    Sorry ... :unsure:

    Later ... I just looked at your user name and can see why you have interest in this man. Have you done any genealogical searches on the possibility that Harvey's Mother was an Emptage?
  4. temptage

    temptage Who said this would be easy?

    An odd mix of French, Arabic and English. Or am I totally off with that?

    No, you are spot on, this is why i think he married a woman from one of the French (speaking) Colonies in North Africa

    Yes his mother was an Emptage. A friend of my dad was the one who found out the majority of the details we have but the two details we would like to tie up are the one about the wife and also where and when he served his country.
  5. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron


    Probably a dumb question but is the memorial inscription on an actual gravestone as opposed to a plaque of some kind and are his remains located in the Grimsby cemetery. It says "ICI REPOSE" so I take it that's the case.

    There's another "Emptage Harvey" with the RAF mentioned in the link below. He's probably not related but it is so rare to find that name combination that I thought it might be of interest.

    Beaufort I DW824 - Emptage Harvey

    Not very helpful I know, but it may attract others and if you pop in now and again with any new findings it brings your search back to the top.

    Good luck ... :)
  6. temptage

    temptage Who said this would be easy?

  7. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    why not cough up 30 quid & request his service records?
    have you applied for death certificate?
  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Eric Emptage Harvey
    Name: Eric Emptage Harvey
    Registration Year: 1908
    Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
    Registration district: Grimsby
    Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
    Inferred County: Lincolnshire
    Volume: 7a
    Page: 638

    England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Eric E Harvey
    Name: Eric E Harvey
    Birth Date: abt 1908
    Date of Registration: Mar 1946
    Age at Death: 38
    Registration district: Grimsby
    Inferred County: Lincolnshire
    Volume: 7a
    Page: 817

    There are 2 family trees on Ancestry for this person

    Eric Emptage Harvey

    Birth: Jan 1908 - Lincolnshire
    Death: Mar 1946 - Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
    F: Albert Victor Harvey

    M: Ethel Emptage
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Further - 1911 census

    1911 England Census about Erie Harvey
    Name: Erie Harvey
    Age in 1911: 3
    Estimated birth year: abt 1908
    Relation to Head: Son
    Gender: Male
    Birth Place: Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
    Civil Parish: Clee
    County/Island: Lincolnshire
    Country: England
    Street address: 74 Granville Street
    Registration district: Grimsby
    Registration District Number: 422
    Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby
    ED, institution, or vessel: 19
    Piece: 19966
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Albert Harvey 24
    Ethel Harvey 23
    Erie Harvey 3 Note the mis spelling for Eric
    Evelyn Harvey Under 11/12

  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Habibi "is an Arabic word whose literal meaning is my beloved (for a male object of affection; the feminine form is habibti or habibati) and that originates from the adjective habib (beloved). In addition to its literal meaning, the term can denote any of several less formal relationships and can serve as a term of endearment at the corresponding level (e.g., friend or darling)."

    It may be that his nurse was Egyptian, Tunisian or Algerian which more likely as the other part of the inscription is in French.

    I can find no marriage details for him on Ancestry.

  11. temptage

    temptage Who said this would be easy?

    Still scratching my head over this one. I walk past the grave almost every day, and its doing my head in not being able to put 2 +2 together
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    1939 England and Wales Register
    Name: Eric E Harvey
    Gender: Male
    Marital Status: Single
    Birth Date: 24 Jun 1908
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 8. Argyle Street
    Residence Place: St Pancras, London, England
    Occupation: Military Pensioner Late R A O,S 7585657 ?? (Reads Military Pensioner Late RAOC 7585657 4/C)
    Schedule Number: 286
    Sub Schedule Number: 6
    Enumeration District: ASKX
    Registration district: 9/2.



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