Elefant, its just nuts, you dont want to get in the way of this.

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by kfz, Jan 3, 2007.

  1. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Some of you may know of my love of sticking little bits of plastic together, which would be ok if I was 9 but its a bit silly when your 36. Anyway sometimes your learn something that just doesnt come accross in books or other media. Just look at the size of the gun in the Elefant/Ferniand in comparison to the Churhill or the T34. Its crazy.


    Its obvious just from the lenght of barrel what this gun is supposed to do, to fire out a shell at one hell of a speed.
     

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  2. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    and this
     

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  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I dropped the 2 pounder from a 1/35 Matilda I was building, took me half an hour to find it... Funnily enough it didn't happen with the Tiger2...
     
  4. MikB

    MikB Senior Member

    I don't think anyone ever pretended that Churchill I's 2 pdr was the right gun for a 40 tonner, though the T34's 85mm. illustrated was comparable to Tiger's 88 L/56.

    Elefant's 88 L/71 was indeed a formidable gun, but the vehicle itself wasn't especially successful either in production or in action, and nowhere near as invulnerable as it was supposed to be. IMO by far the most successful use of this gun was in King Tiger.

    Regards,
    MikB
     
  5. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    I don't think anyone ever pretended that Churchill I's 2 pdr was the right gun for a 40 tonner, though the T34's 85mm. illustrated was comparable to Tiger's 88 L/56.

    Elefant's 88 L/71 was indeed a formidable gun, but the vehicle itself wasn't especially successful either in production or in action, and nowhere near as invulnerable as it was supposed to be. IMO by far the most successful use of this gun was in King Tiger.

    Regards,
    MikB


    Dont know do you need it in turret? Its range and accuracy must been you can engage your target at such a distance that traverse is pretty irrelevent.

    You cant imagine this gun being in a turreted tank can you, Its plain stupid, must be vastly over kill in western europe. In perfect tank country like the western desert or the russian steppe makes more sense. Im sure the 17 pounder or a basic 88 offers much the same first shot kill statistic with a lot pracicallity.

    The size of the breech alone, it fills the elefants casemate. must have been a squash in even a huge turret.

    Kev
     
  6. MikB

    MikB Senior Member

    You cant imagine this gun being in a turreted tank can you,
    Kev

    Well, it was - in King Tiger!

    Regards,
    MikB
     
  7. mollusc

    mollusc Member

    That's right. Overkill on the Western front, but came in very handy on the eastern front where the Panthers L/70 75mm and the Tiger I's 88mm L/56 couldn't penetrated IS2 frontal armour at medium / long range. The 88mm L/71 dealt with any target, easily.
     
  8. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    They did test fit the L71 into a 'standard' Tiger turret, this 'H1' turret was deemed unworkable, looks good in plan form, really adds some meat to the already meaty tiger... also looks like it'll fall over forwards though.
     
  9. MikB

    MikB Senior Member

    They did test fit the L71 into a 'standard' Tiger turret, this 'H1' turret was deemed unworkable, looks good in plan form, really adds some meat to the already meaty tiger... also looks like it'll fall over forwards though.

    Even the standard Tiger turret must've been punishing to its bearings, with the point of balance just behind the mantlet, 'way forward of the ring centre...

    Regards,
    MikB
     
  10. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Even the standard Tiger turret must've been punishing to its bearings, with the point of balance just behind the mantlet, 'way forward of the ring centre...

    Regards,
    MikB

    Did have rep for slow traverse and I guess the tigers hull width give more scope to moving the pont of balance forward.

    Kev
     

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