Dunkirk 1940 photos. Some never seen before .

Discussion in '1940' started by morrisc8, Jan 22, 2018.

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  1. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    I asked on a other forum about the ship and had this reply from David Lesage.
    David Lesage. Excerpt from a book on the history of Calais 39-45: "At sea, the Luftwaffe makes boxes? on everything that floats. Hit at the rear by a bomb, a dredger from Ostend, evacuating with refugees, is forced to run aground in the night, near the Casino. The next day, Ensign Wiart and sailor Jean George, filmmaker of the Sea Front, come aboard to film the damage. An incredible mess of furniture, luggage, linen, dishes, etc. invades all the compartments and even the deck where a There is still food and even bars of Belgian chocolate with colored paper. It is tempting but, victim like everyone else of the psychosis of the Fifth Column, poisoned sweets and booby-trapped objects, the E.V. Wiart disembarks without having touched anything. A team from the Coastal Defense is busy empty the holds to refloat the ship". This is indeed the dredger Vlaanderen I.
    [ But instead it was the IV Vlaanderen as Christian has said ]

    Maybe they did refloat the ship and it went to Calais?
    A team from the Coastal Defense is busy empty the holds to refloat the ship"
    I must have a lie-down:D in a dark room

    Ensign Wiart , filmmaker of the Sea Front, come aboard to film the damage.
    We need to find the film if it`s still out there.
     
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  2. ltdan

    ltdan banana counter

    I asked my fellow countrymen with an affinity for salt water about this:
    https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/media/unknown-vlaanderen-4.90986/
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    The picture clearly shows the registration number VL4 below the bridge house, so it should be Vlaanderen 4.
    As the vessel was neither listed as German booty nor in Belgian registers after 1941, it can be assumed that no salvage/repairs were carried out.

    VL1 is not listed in the HMA at all, so I suspect that it could therefore be the ominous wreck 7nm off Dunkirk?
     
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  3. ltdan

    ltdan banana counter

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  4. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    I have had this copy for a long time Published by Birmingham Library Services in 1989 . Dunkirk Diary Walf Saunders CBE
    Dunkirk book.jpg
     
  5. Wobbler

    Wobbler Patron Patron

    Used by the BBC for their superb docudrama Dunkirk, I just read. Never knew that.
     
  6. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Photo taken on 10-7-40 of the vehicle pier at La Panne. Info on the back of the photo. British army toolbox on the sand.
    Photo from my collection.
    Keith
    De panne 1940 La Panne.jpg
     
  7. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    One more photo of the French ship Pavon that had from 1300 to 1500 Dutch soldiers on board , The ship was hit with 50 Dutch soldiers killed and was beached at Les Hemmes de Marck near Calais. The ship had left Dunkirk. Photo from my collection
    Keith
    Ship 1940 near Dunkirk.jpg
     
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  8. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Malo les Bains. Chassur 9 1940. Photo from my collection.
    Keith
    Dunkirk Chassur 9 1940. kb.jpg
     
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  9. ltdan

    ltdan banana counter

    Salvage attempts were abandoned after 3 days
    Many more pictures: Chasseur 9: Les épaves au large de DUNKERQUE ( FRANCE - Nord )
    (The inscription on the side of the wreck reads: Betreten verboten Hafenkommandant‘No entry allowed harbour commander’)
     
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  10. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Vehicle Dump. There are a lot of photos of this dump. The trees give it away. Near Dunkirk? Photo from my collection.
    Keith
    Veh dump 1940. kb.jpg
     
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  11. ltdan

    ltdan banana counter

    A small orientation aid to be able to locate some pictures geographically:
    Among other things, "Panzerbeutestäbe"** were set up to record enemy armour (OKH/GenStdH/GenQ/ 1/Ia Nr.9880/40 geh. v. 10.7.40)
    In the Dunkirk area, this was Panzerbeutestab 2, who used this sign:
    dk1.png dk02.png

    ** Roughly read as: "Command staff for captured armour". I'm reaching my limits here with my 40-year-old school English
    (The translator turned it into "tank loot stick", which is quite hilarious but also completely off the mark)
     
  12. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    Hallo Olli,

    The markings applied by the Panzerbeutestäbe on captured vehicles are visible on quite a lot of photos.
    Could you enlighten us as to their significance? (or hint us towards a reliable source?)

    KR,
    Christian
     
  13. ltdan

    ltdan banana counter

    I'm afraid the most reliable source at the moment is only me, because I can only quote from my notes
    I have pieced this together from numerous individual sources on the net.
    Somewhere in my sprawling bookmark folder there should be a few links, if I find them again, I'll add them


    These staffs were formed from the personnel of the armoured divisions.
    PBStab 1 location Loire estuary of personnel 1st PzDiv
    PBStab 2 loction Brussels of personnel 4th PzDiV
    PBStab 3 location Nancy of personnel 8th PzDiv
    PBStab 4 location SE Brussels of personnel 10th PzDiv

    sign of PBStab 4
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    Their task was to register the numerous armoured enemy vehicles and examine them for usability.
    However, their documentation is extremely fragmentary - even for Wehrmacht units - as they only
    existed in this form for a short time after the Western campaign.
    dk00.jpg dk000.jpg

    In this context, it would be interesting to know where the A11 ‘Dazzle’ (4 RTR?) in the lower right was collected, as this might allow conclusions to be drawn about the area of responsibility of PBStab 2:
    dk03.jpg
     
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  14. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much Olli! :cheers:
    I have been looking a long time, trying to find some document that would contain some explanation as to the symbols painted on the captured vehicles, but found nothing so far. t first, since Germans tend to document everything meticulously, I thought was looking in the wrong places. I'm relieved to know my question wasn't so silly after all :-P
     
  15. ltdan

    ltdan banana counter

    Dear Christian
    Strictly speaking, it's all your ‘fault’, because your Bulskamp thread is what lured me down this Dunkirk rabbit hole in the first place.
    Be that as it may, I have a certain fondness for unusual niche topics, which is why I had collected some material on them in between.
    Keith's last post just reminded me of it again, and that it might be useful here :D
     
  16. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Bob Gregory in his 1st Army Tank Brigade book gives the location of "Dazzle" as the Arras rail yard and states that the Wehrmacht recovery numbers in the 800 range indicate that these were lost during the Arras counterattack.
     
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  17. ltdan

    ltdan banana counter

    Perfect, thank you!
     
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  18. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    You're always welcome Olli :-P

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  19. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Tank T7251 with the sign on. Number next to sign 1307 or 1397 ? Veh dump. Photo from my collection
    Keith
    bef tank T7251 sign.jpg
    bef tank T7251 1307 1397.jpg
     
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  20. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Dunkirk area. Beach, center tank has sign on. Photo from my collection.
    Keith
    dunkirk tanks beach.jpg
     
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