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Dunkirk 1940. Inland. France & Belgium. Photos, some never seen before

Discussion in '1940' started by morrisc8, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    I now have this well known photo in my collection. Has German on the back. English tank in ?
    British tanks with a German grave. Any one have more info on the photo.
    Keith
    1940 tank kia german.kb.jpg tank 1940 kia back.jpg
     
  2. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    German field cooker 1940 with French troops clearing up on the side of the road . Pile of mess tins on the right.
    Photo from my collection.
    Keith
    1940 german wagons kb.jpg 1940 german cooker info.jpg
     
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  3. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    French pows working at a vehicle - kit dump. German on the back . Some writing in pencil very faint on a few of the photos.
    Photo from my collection.
    Keith
    1940 cars and carts. kb.jpg 1940 info f.jpg 1940 info f1.jpg
     
  4. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    In any case, the photo was taken near Arras
    The tank at the grave site can be seen in 2 other pictures
    The field grave in the background in picture 1, which was later quite elaborately completed, is striking
    Picture 2 allegedly shows members of the SS-Totenkopf Division.
    In this case, the grave site could be that of Obersturmführer Karl-Heinz Brohl and his men who fell at the Mercatel area

    HISTOREICH: Le SS-Obertsturmführer Brohl tué près d'Arras
    Солдаты дивизии СС «Мертвая голова» осматривают подбитый британский танк «Матильда»
    BILD 1.jpg BILD 2.jpg BILD 3.jpg

    I am happy to leave everything else to the Arras experts
     
  5. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

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  6. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    German wagons along the road next to the river Loire. 1940. Photo from my collection
    Keith
    1940 bef wagons german.jpg 1940 bridge info.jpg
     
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  7. Wobbler

    Wobbler Patron Patron

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  8. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    BEF burnt out ambulances 1940. Photo from my collection German on the back. Looks like docks in the background.
    Keith
    1940 amb bef. kb.jpg 1940 back amb.jpg
     
  9. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Burnt-out cars left behind by the English at Uloutoir/Ulontoir
    The place name seems to be misspelled in any case
    If we are talking about docks, I would guess Le Havre
     
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  10. LondonNik

    LondonNik Senior Member

     
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  11. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    You're right: the white square badge is much further away from the exhaust(?)
    And a closer look at Keith's photo reveals that the steel helmet has the regular Wehrmacht insignia, otherwise the runes would have to be there - which would rule out Brohl
    In this case, it would be more likely that they were members of PzJgAbt 42 - IF they were indeed Panzerjäger
     
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  12. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Could be number 23 or 25 on the first truck. Photo from my collection
    Keith
    trucks bef 1940 kb.jpg dunkirk 23 25.jpg
     
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  13. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    It's a civilian model Bedford so almost certainly an RASC vehicle. It's unlikely to be the "23" used by a battalion in a division"s junior brigade. With no Corps or GHQ / LoC bars, I'd say it will be the "25" of a Divisional Petrol Company RASC.
     
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  14. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Morris CS9, Thanks to Christian for the id. no markings or area.
    Keith
    1940 morris ac.jpg
     
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  15. this is the glacis , place between Dunkerque and Malo les bains ,
    The houses in the distance are on the eastern part of the beach.
     
  16. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    Aha, a Morris CS9 armoured car! By the looks of the ruins in the background, probably somewhere in Belgium or Northern France.
    And, if I'm not too much mistaken, there was only one unit in the BEF that operated them: the 12th Royal Lancers.
     
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  17. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    As far as I'm aware, most CS9's were abandoned in the vicinity of Ghyvelde or dumped in the nearby Dunkerque-Nieuport canal.
     
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  18. The bridge on the right is the Avenue des Bains bridge. Here is a photo taken from the opposite direction to the first view, with the beach behind us. The bridge is the same 480969466_9563564440350071_5304280051918941257_n.jpg
     
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  19. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    Just finished some quick background checking.

    On Wednesday, May 29th, the 12th Lancers ceased to be under the command of 3rd Division and came under command of II Corps. That same afternoon, at 15h00, the Regiment was ordered to withdraw to Ghyvelde, sabotage/ditch their vehicles and to get in touch with OIC II Corps Troop Embarkation Beach at De Panne. (Source: 'Their Greatest Hour' and 'Through Hell to Dunkirk').

    This, however, raised my curiosity. What was that lone CS9 doing at Malo-les-Bains? To which squadron did it belong? (no markings to be seen on Keith's photo). I may of course be mistaken, but when I look at the strange transversal position of the vehicle, it looks like it may perhaps have served as a makeshift barricade.

    I contemplated the possibility that this CS9 may have been used by LtCol Lumsden. It seems, however, that he had his own staff car.

    Unfortunately, my library related to the 12th Lancers is somewhat incomplete (I lack some reference works such as ' One Young Soldier' and 'Previous Encounters'). I found no other picture of this particular vehicle elsewhere. The picture just posted by misterxxx59140 shows no other CS9 in the vicinity, which could suggest this was an isolated vehicle (sent to Dunkirk for a special purpose?).

    Conclusion: the CS9 seen on Keith's photo and its whereabouts still remains a mystery to me.
     
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  20. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    One more
    Keith
    ac 1940 kb.jpg
     

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