Does anyone have any stories regarding German Servicemen having Jewish Wives and what happened to th

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  1. F for Freddie

    F for Freddie Junior Member

    I read recently of a story regarding Major Von Cramon-Taubadel. I wondered does any body have any other stories of this? and what happened to them and /or their wives...
    The (below) 109E-3 has an interesting story attached to the markings. Major von Cramon-Taubadel was married to a Jewish wife, a fact which came to the attention of Hermann Goering during the Battle of France. As a result he ordered that the whole of JG 53 must remove their famous Ace of Spades badge and paint a red band around the noses of their aircraft as a mark of shame. In the Autumn of 1940 von Cramon-Taubadel was removed as Geschwader Kommodore and Goering told them they could reinstate their "Pik-As" badge; this they did but at the same time, as a mark of protest, all the pilots of JG 53 had the Swastikas painted over on their aircraft. Thus it is easy to recognise JG 53 109's late in the Battle of Britain as they have no Swastikas on them.
    This profile shows Major von Cramon-Taubadel's aircraft with the red band marking when the Geschwader were operating from Cherbourg and the Channel Islands during the Battle of Britain. The basic camouflage is a splinter pattern of RLM70 Schwarzgrün and RLM02 Grau over RLM65 Hellblau sides and underneath with RLM02 Grau mottling on the sides. The cross, although of the larger size, still has the thinner white edges.

    Messerschmitt Me 109E-3
    Stab, JG53
    Pilot: Major Hans-Jurgen von Cramon-Taubadel (Geschwader Kommodore)
    Thevile-Maupertus (Cherbourg-Ost), France, August 1940
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  2. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    Given that Hans-Jürgen Erdmann von Cramon-Taubadel lived until the ripe old age of 84, having a Jewish wife may have helped save his life. He was a little too old for combat flying in any event but his reassignment to staff roles took him out of harms way.
     
  3. prairiebladerunner

    prairiebladerunner Junior Member

    Goering wore rouge on his cheeks, lipstick on his lips, his staff flag mandated a pink horizontal third swath wherever his headquarters was or his staff car drove, his infantry division had to suffer pink pipettes around their insignaes on their collars. Don't worry about about Goering, he was a morphined gonner.
     
  4. Jedburgh22

    Jedburgh22 Very Senior Member

    There were many Jewish officers who served in the German Heer, Luftwaffe and Kreigsmarine, some attaining very high rank - one of the odd facts of WWII.
     
  5. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Hitler said he would decide who was and who was not Jewish...... you know when you look at it he was one seriously disorder individual...what our American cousins would call " a crazy son of a bitch".
     
  6. Jack_Goulding_info

    Jack_Goulding_info Junior Member

    Jewish soldiers in Hitler's army is a very touchy subject, but when you consider the draft pre-war, the long distinguished history of Jewish participation in the professional German armies pre-WW2, and patriotism it makes sense. Israeli TV interviewed the producer of a documentary on the subject. Many high-ranking officers were in the Army, Navy, and Luftwaffe, veterans of WW1 mostly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJLVLdaxz3Y
     
  7. noman

    noman Member

    There was a book published on Jewish/Half Jewish Soldiers in whermacht ....
     
  8. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake The Mayor of London's latest dress code

  9. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    If you look at anecdotal evidence there are many cases of half Jewish German soldats chased out of military service when their genetic line was discovered.But it undoubtedly saved them from the ""final solution"

    It was Goring who stated I will decide who is a Jew and who is not.The prime example was to cover his deputy Erhard Milch who he regarded his technical ability as unchallenged...it was Milch who as Goring's deputy,together with Goring formed the Luftwaffe in 1935.Unfortunately Milch had a Jewish mother, an impossible situation problem for the Nazi regime.Goring solved the problem by having Milch's mother sign a legal affidavit that Milch was the bastard son of his father and not a child of the marriage....Erhard Milch raised no objection to this falsifying of his birth.Further, Goring was renowned for this flexible approach to the Reich official policy where he accepted non Aryan officers to the Luftwaffe if he considered them to be performers in their discipline.The category of mixed Jewish-German race as with the Milch case became known as the Mischlinge. (individuals of mixed race)

    In 1943,Milch warned Goring of the danger that US aircraft production posed for the Luftwaffe but Goring would not listen.Unlike Goring,Milch escaped the death penalty but was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1947.Released in 1954,he died in 1972.
     
  10. TriciaF

    TriciaF Junior Member

    In the 1930s-40s were there genetic blood tests available as there are now?
    I came across this when reading "Two Brothers" ( part fiction) by Ben Elton, and wondered how realistic it was. The adopted brother was tested and proved to be of pure Aryan race, so of SS officer material.
     
  11. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    'Blood' is meant metaphorically in the NS concept, meaning 'race' in the sense of ancestry and physical attributes.

    I guess the confusion stems from the fact that some members of the Waffen-SS had a tattoo of their blood type ('blood' in the literal sense here). This was for medical not ideological reasons however.
    The idea that his brother's blood would have been tested in order to find out whether he was "SS officer material" is ludicrous.
     
  12. dbf

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  13. JohnS

    JohnS Senior Member

    Interesting subject, German soldiers with Jewish wives.
     
  14. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake The Mayor of London's latest dress code

    Goering also helped a Jewish WW1 air ace to escape from Nazi Germany. http://www.tumblr.com/search/willie+rosenstein
     
  15. ww2ni

    ww2ni Senior Member

    Going by the number of Jewish Headstones in the various German WW1 Cemeteries in France and Belgium I am sure there would have been a considerable number of such couples.

    I can just imagine the trauma in those households with the rise of the Nazi's and WW2.

    Must have been terrible.
     

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