Do you believe or not in ghosts ?

Discussion in 'The Barracks' started by Gage, Apr 22, 2006.

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Do you believe in ghosts?

This poll will close on Mar 24, 2105 at 10:21 PM.
  1. Yes

    12.5%
  2. No

    62.5%
  3. Don't know

    25.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    I have a tale told many times by my Granny.

    When she and my Grandad were first married, they were given quarters (believed to be at Lisburn) - These quarters were the old coast guard cottages and Granny stayed there while Grandad was away.

    When Granny was heavily pregnant with her first child, she fell down the stairs. She was adamant she did not slip or trip, but that she definitely felt a strong push on her back.

    Her mum - Great Granny - used to go and stay with her sometimes, and one night - a full moon- they were disturbed from sleep with the dog barking. As they looked through the bedroom doorway, they could see the silhouette of a man in a uniform looking out of the window on the landing. This scared the living daylights out of them, and it was not long after that Granny went to stay with her sister until she gave birth.

    Granny went back there after she had had the baby and strange things happened that would unnerve her, such as slamming doors. The final straw came when she was upstairs and the baby, which had been asleep in the lounge, suddenly started screaming and screaming. She was so frightened, she shut herself, baby and dog into the lounge. She didn't dare leave the room, but as luck would have it, Great Granny and Great Granda turned up and seeing her so scared took them back to their home.

    Now Granny, who had been so thrilled when they were given the quarters - married quarters were apparently in short supply - knew why they had been given them. When they handed over, instead of the marching out inspection, no one would go in, and just signed it off.

    The history of the cottages - two coastguards had lived in the cottage many years before. They used to drink and they would have terrible fights. One night one man pushed the other down the stairs, and he broke his neck. Obviously he remained angry after death and continued to haunt the cottage...
     
  2. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    Children are very normally more Psychic than adults because they haven't been told all there life that theres no such thing as Ghosts everyone has the potential to be Psychic some are more in tune than others Ghosts are not here to harm you and it must seem like a great laugh to them to move things
    Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! Now we rely on three-year-olds :D

    A child's 'Imaginary friend' experience is fully understood and very well documented. It is a very common and quite harmless condition. Try Googling it, you'll get over 5 million hits (admittedly some quite daft ones relate to ghosts). Try to stick to the scientific ones.

    Imaginary friend - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  3. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    One of the places I know reasonably well that is reputedly 'haunted' is Carlisle Castle (Cumbria) formerly the Border Regiment depot and now the home of Cumbria's Military Museum (KORBR & Border Regiment Museum).

    The site upon which the castle is built also has a long history going back at least to Roman times. When the Romans were here I don't think they fed any Christians to the lions!

    Some people say that the spirit of Mary, Queen of Scots, incarcerated in the tower for a time after fleeing across the Solway Firth from Scotland, is still seen and heard from time to time.

    Others say the tormented souls of the Scottish highlanders, part of Bonnie Prince Charlie's failed Jacobite invasion of England in 1745 still haunt the castle. A number of these Jacobites were executed on a nearby hilltop. This sad episode did at least lead to a brilliant song ("The Bonnie Banks o' Loch Lomond").

    Personally, I have never seen the ghosts that haunt Carlisle Castle. Would it be reasonable to expect that the most famous Scottish queen and the Highlander followers of Bonnie Prince Charlie to have made their way back home to the banks of Loch Lomond? Would they really spend eternity hanging about Carlisle Castle?

    Yet, these are the legendary tales that tourists want to hear. Whether it is truly haunted or not, Carlisle castle is going to remain so for as long as there are tourists.

    The Military Museum is currently involved in a project to move from Queen Mary's Tower to another building within the castle walls, the Alma Block, a part of the castle which is apparently not haunted (yet!). Attached are a couple of photographs from Carlisle Castle. Unfortunately, there are no ghosts in either photograph!
     

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  4. AdHollis

    AdHollis Junior Member

    PeterG,

    I understand that you are obviously a sceptic, and that you are trying to express your opinions... But EVERYONE is entitled to interpret their experiences and beliefs as well. By going and taking a patronising manor to peoples posts on this thread, is not exactly a warm and kind way to deal with it. Some people have experienced things, but can't always explain them. I know what I have had happene to me, as I was there. But you was not. I'm not saying it was ghostly, just very unexplained. I don't think it is right, and fair, on the individual's who do express their experiences, to be mocked, or 'put down' just because you have a different opinion. Would you 'mock' someone just because of them having a different religion, skin colour, belief? By all means, you can make a post to explain your theorys, but let's not make the ladies and gentleman on this thread (and this site) feel awkward, stupid or daft... I'm not being nasty and looking to cause an argument, I just felt it needed to be said.

    Adrian
     
  5. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    Adrian,

    It's not a matter of opinion but rather of fact. I am not mocking or putting down anyone but simply trying to bring some rationality into this.

    Don't be afraid of criticism, after all you are in the majority, only 9 members of the 62 who voted in this forum don't believe in ghosts. Admittedly a small sample but still a worrying 72.6% either believe in this stuff or are not sure.

    Here are some more statistics:

    19% of Americans believe in witchcraft and spells.
    48% of Americans believe in ghosts and apparently half the population in London do so.
    77% of Americans believe in angels.
    27% believe in reincarnation.
    31% of Americans believe in astrology, 22% in the UK.
    44% of Americans believe that the universe was created between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago.
    46% of Americans believe that "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so."
    ... and an amazing 33% believe that the sun revolves around the Earth.

    In the 1930s most educated adults would have found these statistics unbelievable; sadly rationality began to loose out in the 1950s in the UK. It seems that the 21st century is fast becoming one of the most credulous centuries of recent times and with the rise of Fundamentalism in Islam and in the fringes of Christianity it seems that the march of ignorance is now unstoppable.

    Peter
     
  6. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    Belief? I do not know if it is a case of belief or just something we have no convincing answer for. My wife and me were staying in an old vicarage. I saw an old woman in a chair as clear as day. My wife claimed I leapt across the room! The owners of the house a brother and sister - had been told of the occurrence by my wife. She ( the elderly sister)said I will tell you what you saw and I swear she described it exactly. I mentioned seeing a gas wall light, I was then taken up to an unused room and shown the old gas fittings in exactly the same place as I had described in the other room. They both claimed it was their late fathers housekeeper and I was not the first and will not be the last to see her. The second occurrence was slightly different, I had arrived home to my married quarter in Munster, had supper and was chatting to my wife when of a sudden I felt something was not right, I said that I thought something was not right at home and would phone my parents. As I got up a knock at the door, not unusual on a Friday night someone with a crate of beer. It was the battalion families officer and his wife - my heart sank, he pointed behind me and mouthed is your wife in? and to pull the door to, he then went on to say my wife's father had died that afternoon. There are many possible explantions, have we had those feelings before and ignored them because of no memorable occurrence.
     
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    Cee Senior Member Patron

  8. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    PeterG

    You might enjoy this book:

    Hunt for the Skinwalker: Science Confronts the Unexplained at a Remote Ranch in Utah

    Of course it doesn't explain anything in this case as it is way beyond the ability of science as it now stands to account for what went on there.
    A couple of pseudo-scientists don't particularly carry much weight. George Knapp has a series of books on 'scientific' hydrotherapy.

    I can recommend a better book:

    Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark: Amazon.ca: Carl Sagan, Ann Druyan: Books

    Peter :)
     
  9. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    Is Carlisle Castle truly haunted or not?

    Click on the following link to read an interview with Mr Tony Goddard (Assistant Curator at the Border Regiment & KORBR Museum, Carlisle) explaining about the 'ghostly hauntings' in the new museum building inside Carlisle Castle:

    News & Star | News | Ghostly figures sighted at Carlisle's new haunt?

    To read an account about the 'Haunting White Lady' of Carlisle Castle during WW2 by 'Yours Truly', click on the following link:
    WW2 - The Second World War: The 'Haunting White Lady' of Carlisle Castle
     
  10. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Is Carlisle Castle truly haunted or not?

    It isn't, if you ask PeterG. Same as any other castle :p
     
  11. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    It isn't, if you ask PeterG.
    :loldevil: :loldevil: :loldevil: :loldevil: :loldevil:
     
  12. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    Same as any other castle :p

    One might then ask:

    1. Where did the mystery lady in the long, flowing white dress seen at the gate of Carlisle Castle in the attached photograph appear from?

    2. Is she the 'Haunting White Lady' that some believe helped 'Kinmont Willie', the notorious Scots Border Reiver, escape from the castle on St Patrick's Day, 1596?

    3. Is she the same 'lady in white' that raw recruits to the Border Regiment were also told to be wary of while doing guard duty on dark winter nights?

    *******************************

    A few further thoughts:

    How did they get the ghosts to appear in photographs before the digital age?

    What 'strange tales' would we be able to tell visitors if there were no real ghosts at castles?
     

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  13. gliderrider

    gliderrider Senior Member

    Have to say i do believe in Ghosts, who else would empty my wallet, turn the room upside down and make unearthly moaning noises at daft o'clock.

    Hang on thats the wife, so no, dont belive in ghosts now.
     
  14. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    OK, OK I'm convinced. They are all over the place!!!
     

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  15. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    OK, OK I'm convinced. They are all over the place!!!

    :lol::lol:
     
  16. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    How did they get the ghosts to appear in photographs before the digital age?

    I won't address the rest of your post as I am ignorant of the matters you refer to, but indeed there was no need of Photoshop in former times; here is a well known example: See me , see me not.
     
  17. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    Collective - 'A fright of ghosts'.
     
  18. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    The family and i were at Muncaster Castle (Supposed to be one of the most haunted castles in England) last night and like every year they were celebrating Halloween, and it is brilliant by the way.
    Well i was taking photos all day and then at night but these 3 photos really took my eye i have seen pictures taken with so called Orbs and always thought it was camera trickery or light reflection from the flash so was wondering what the members thought.

    Regards Michael.
     

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  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Orb (optics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Orbs have an explanation.


    but regards ghosts I was scared stiff when a lad , we stayed each summer in a 15th centuary cottage in Harlech, Gywnedd.
    I saw a figure resembling a Roman Catholic priest stood through my bed, I've never run down a set of stairs so fast.
    We stayed there almost every summer in the 1970s & early 1980s.
    I only saw it 2 or 3 thimes this one year. It couldnt have been shadows or I'd have seen it before or since.

    Here's a pic of nearest image I can find to expalin what I saw .
    Black figure with wide brimmed hat
    http://s7d4.scene7.com/is/image/CostumeSupercenter/114164FW?$medium$

    http://s7d4.scene7.com/is/image/CostumeSupercenter/114164FW?$medium$
     
  20. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    hello Michael

    pics 1 and 2 look like a landing guide for a Lysander


    regards
    Clive
     

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