Do RAF crash reports for aircraft that were shot down over the UK exist? Specifically I am trying to get hold of a report and photo if one exists of a Hurricane L2062, flown by B R Noble, that crashed in Court Road Orchard, Chelsfield, Orpington, September 1 1940. I wonder if the Ministry of Defence or perhaps the Council would have made a report and have taken photos? I am already in touch with the Bromley Archive. Many thanks.
Do RAF crash reports for aircraft that were shot down over the UK exist? Specifically I am trying to get hold of a report and photo if one exists of a Hurricane L2062, flown by B R Noble, that crashed in Court Road Orchard, Chelsfield, Orpington, September 1 1940. I wonder if the Ministry of Defence or perhaps the Council would have made a report and have taken photos? I am already in touch with the Bromley Archive. Many thanks. Hi , Try the RAF Museum Hendon and ask for AM FORM 1180 for Hurricane L2062 And the date in Question . However a lot of these 1180's are Missing ? I can add some more for you in case you don't already have it ? P/O Noble Joined 79 Sqd JUNE 1940 15/8/40 Shared a 1/5 of 2 ME110'S -Hurricane -North Sea .off Newcastle 15/8/40 Shared a Do17,Off Newcastle 28/8/40 Shared a He59 -Hurricane .Mid Channel . 1/9/40 Baled out of Hurricane L2062 After Combat with ME109's over Biggin Hill, Bailing Out Wounded he landed at Marley Lake Riverhead and was admitted to Sevenoaks Hospital ,His Aircraft crashing at Broughton House Dunton Green . it may also be worth finding out if a Police report is available i checked the Sqd ORB and i does not add anything new Hope this may be of interest bw phill jones
Hi , Try the RAF Museum Hendon and ask for AM FORM 1180 for Hurricane L2062 And the date in Question . However a lot of these 1180's are Missing ? I can add some more for you in case you don't already have it ? P/O Noble Joined 79 Sqd JUNE 1940 15/8/40 Shared a 1/5 of 2 ME110'S -Hurricane -North Sea . 28/8/40 Shared a He59 -Hurricane . 1/9/40 Baled out of Hurricane L2062 After Combat with ME109's over Biggin Hill, Bailing Out Wounded he landed at Marley Lake Riverhead and was admitted to Sevenoaks Hospital ,His Aircraft crashing at Broughton House Dunton Green . it may also be worth finding out if a Police report is available the Sqd ORB May also provide more for you Hope this may be of interest bw phill jones Where did you source the crash site info from? In Gwynn's Battle of Britain book it states the Hurricane crashed in Court Road, Chelsfield, which I guess is about a 10 minute drive from Broughton House Dunton Green. Many thanks for the information especially the RAF forms for the Hurricane.
from my copy Battle of Britain Then and Now 1/9/40 Hurricane L2062 Crashed in Court Road Orchard near Highways Chelsfield following combat with Bf 109 over base 2.45pm Pilot Officer B.R.Noble wounded and admitted tp hospital.Aircraft a write off. Also under the above comment is "According to the report from the salvage unit that visited this site on 23rd September,the pilots body still remained in the wreckage.However,there is no mention of his identity and only Sgt J.H.M.Ellis of no 85 Sqn remains unaccounted for on this date and he is known to have been flying P2673.Post war,the site was excavated by the Halstead war Museum which is said to have discovered pilots personal affects." Also mentioned here by forum member Andy Saunders I suggest you drop him a PM he appears to have a lot of detail No, the location of the crash site is incorrect. That was the crash of Sgt J H M Ellis' Hurricane of 85 Squadron (P2673). Bryan Noble baled out and landed at Marley Lake, Riverhead. I do have a lot of detail somewhere, and a written account about the incident by Noble. Also, a photo of him (I think) outside the local hospital. Bryan Robert Noble Battle of Britain Pilot regards Clive
Speak to RAFCommand (Ross) on here. I believe I have copied the very files you are after for him last year. Hurricane L2062, flown by B R Noble, that crashed in Court Road Orchard, Chelsfield, Orpington, September 1 1940. Alternatively ask Craig (Moderator) to look in After The Battles The Battle of Britain. It should be listed in there. I really must switch on....I see Clive has posted the details from BoB. I'll get my coat
The question has been asked and answers given only a month ago as Clive notes. http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-air/50200-bryan-robert-noble-battle-britain-pilot.html No F1180 raised since it was FB loss and hence no AIB report also ordered. You are trying the local archive. The county archive may contain the Police Occurance Book but best place is the ARP record. Regards Ross
from my copy Battle of Britain Then and Now 1/9/40 Hurricane L2062 Crashed in Court Road Orchard near Highways Chelsfield following combat with Bf 109 over base 2.45pm Pilot Officer B.R.Noble wounded and admitted tp hospital.Aircraft a write off. Also under the above comment is "According to the report from the salvage unit that visited this site on 23rd September,the pilots body still remained in the wreckage.However,there is no mention of his identity and only Sgt J.H.M.Ellis of no 85 Sqn remains unaccounted for on this date and he is known to have been flying P2673.Post war,the site was excavated by the Halstead war Museum which is said to have discovered pilots personal affects." Also mentioned here by forum member Andy Saunders I suggest you drop him a PM he appears to have a lot of detail No, the location of the crash site is incorrect. That was the crash of Sgt J H M Ellis' Hurricane of 85 Squadron (P2673). Bryan Noble baled out and landed at Marley Lake, Riverhead. I do have a lot of detail somewhere, and a written account about the incident by Noble. Also, a photo of him (I think) outside the local hospital. http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-air/50200-bryan-robert-noble-battle-britain-pilot.html regards Clive Thanks. I need to get back in contact with Andy. Cheers
Hello all. New joiner here. I live at Broughton House in Dunton Green and have been researching the history of the place, which lead me here. I'm also an avid aviation enthusiast and private pilot so the prospect of one of the paddocks being a WW2 crash site is beyond exciting! May I ask if anyone got to the bottom of the actual crash site of L2062 and confirmed if it was in Broughton House? the link to http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-air/50200-bryan-robert-noble-battle-britain-pilot.html is now broken. I would dearly love to see the detail referred to by you Clive if you still have it? Might be a good opportunity to get the metal detector out if we can narrow down the location! Many thanks in advance, Tim
With the passage of the years the Personnel Casualty Files are being released in batches to The National Archives. In the case of PO Noble his file is now open to personal viewing at Kew Pilot Officer B R Noble: injured; enemy action, Hurricane L2062, 79 Squadron, 1... | The National Archives In respect to using the metal detector I would urge extreme restraint and stress that you read and understand the Protection of Military Remains Act 1986 to see the penalty for prohibited operations. Protection of Military Remains Act 1986 Ross
Tim Andy has not been on the forum since Feb 2013 I have sent him a private message which may get a reply back on the thread regards Clive
Many thanks everyone for your help. I have requested a copy of the record from Kew. I had not heard of the Protection of Military Remains Act so thank you for pointing that out Ross. Makes perfect sense from a war grave, historical preservation and live munitions standpoint. If I can locate the site rest assured I'll treat it respectfully and lawfully - I really just want to get to the bottom of the history more than anything. Tim
