Google Youtube.com and look for the 1962 documentary on Dieppe interviews on CBC. Monty: Brits were responsible. Nothing was learned from the raid in Dieppe Mountbatten: My ego is never going to get in the way of leading men to their doom. Crerar: I wish I was somewhere else McNaughton: I wish I was with Crerar Roberts: I need to pin the blame somewhere else. A travesty.
Google Youtube.com and look for the 1962 documentary on Dieppe interviews on CBC. Close Up - The Canadian Raid on Dieppe (1962 Interview) - Part 1 - YouTube Monty: Brits were responsible. Nothing was learned from the raid in Dieppe Mountbatten: My ego is never going to get in the way of leading men to their doom. Crerar: I wish I was somewhere else McNaughton: I wish I was with Crerar Roberts: I need to pin the blame somewhere else. A travesty. Agreed 100%
Actual Document uncovered by O'Keefe Roscoe, I have no doubt that Naval Intelligence wanted a 4 rotor, and even trained some commandos to go in and get it, as a part of Dieppe. But common sense dictates that, if the raid had been successful, the Germans would have reoccupied the town at some point a day or two later. They would have immediately started looking for their 4 rotor, because the idea that they wouldn't be concerned about it is sheer nonsense. They would have noticed its' disappearance, and changed up everything with their codes again anyway. The idea would be to get a 4 rotor without the Germans knowing about it. Clearly, this would not have happened in Dieppe, so trying to whitewash the raid as an 'important intelligence gathering mission" just doesn't hold up to any cursory examination.
Martin, Thanks for posting the first link to youtube. All the players are there. A fiasco of unparalleled proportions.
god day roscoe,sm,22august,2012,06:16am,re:dieppe uncovered,it was a useless massacre.instigated by desk bound moorons,as for ian fleming,he came out of the war with all the material he needed for his books,may the Canadians who lost there lives to satify some idiots ego.may they rest in peace,regards bernard85
I recently read Mark Zuehlke's 2012 book, Tragedy at Dieppe. 30 Commando barely rates a mention. Primarily because they were a reserve and did not land. A surprising fact if you accept that they were the focal point of the raid. In any event, Zuehlke describes the Ultra mission as being a sensational theory with many factual and logical holes in it. He dismisses it as not being credible. As has been said, Truth remains a casualty of the Dieppe operation.
Finally saw this on Sunday night and was pleasantly surprised that the documentation outdid the docudrama. I'm left with a couple of questions. Firstly, whilst the 'pinch' may not have been the raison d'etre of RUTTER, it may well have been a factor in resurrecting it as JUBILEE. There was a brief mention of a couple of the units' detailed orders, but no comparison with their RUTTER orders that might have demonstrated a change of objective between the two plans. I assume not much remains of unit orders for RUTTER. Secondly, would the Naval HQ in Dieppe have been big enough or important enough to warrant an Enigma link? I can understand a U-Boat or a far-flung Norwegian outpost having one, but not coastal craft or a piddly local HQ with landlines. It also seems a little unlikely the whole of the Kriegsmarine used the same codebooks. Still, whether or not it was the whole point of the raid, the pinch was clearly seen as a worthwhile gamble given the worsening situation in the Atlantic. The programme did make me have a quick look at British Intelligence in the Second World War, Part 2 of which threw up this nugget (published in 1981!)
Some of you may be aware of this, but I wasn't. It's another example of a wacky scheme under the umbrella of the raid. A contemporary press celebrity was US Lt-Col Hillsinger who lost a leg when the Berkeley was bombed towards the end of the raid. At the time, he was merely an observer but he'd originally had a different role: Considering the actual and proposed efforts made to resolve the RAF's issues - radar and FW190s - a potential solution to the U-Boat menace ought to have had a very high priority, being a national, rather than a service, concern. Whether that in itself was enought to tilt the balance between launching JUBILEE or letting RUTTER rot, I don't know... The extract is from some COHQ odds and sods in DEFE 2/707.
Operation Jubilee: A Pinch Raid at Dieppe? Operation Jubilee: A Pinch Raid at Dieppe? On 19 August 1942, a six thousand strong combined Allied landing force took part in a raid on Dieppe, Northern France. Sixty-seven percent of these became casualties. The raid has gone down in history as a catastrophe conceived by Lord Mountbatten. With the help of 100,000 pages of classified British military files, however, David O’Keefe has uncovered a pinch mission undertaken at Dieppe, concealed by the raid, to steal one of the new German 4-rotor Enigma code machines. In this first of two episodes, David tells James about the main raid, undertaken in the majority by his fellow Canadians, and explains the evidence which supports the theory that this was a pinch raid, not just by opportunity, but by design. The Enigma of Dieppe The Enigma of Dieppe Almost 80 years after the raid on Dieppe on 19 August 1942, David O’Keefe has uncovered the secret mission to pinch Enigma related material which took place under the cover of the six-thousand strong landing force. In this second part of David’s conversation with James, he tells us about the outcomes of the raid and how his research has answered the long held questions of veterans of Dieppe.
If he actually has solid evidence, great. But there is a Canadian obsession with trying to - justify? - the deaths of so many soldiers other than "a bad plan" and on the face of it this looks like yet another attempt.
That's not the impression I've got round here. O'Keefe appears to have turned up evidence but rather than discuss or challenge it, it tends to get dismissed out of hand as some sort of slight on Canadian collective memory. Understanding the reason(s) for the raid will not justify the deaths in isolation; that can still be argued until the cows come home.
This one was posted September 2020... The Forgotten Ally: Canada 22 minutes Posted Sep 11, 2020 at 5:00 pm. https://podbay.fm/p/dan-snows-history-hit/e/1599840007 SHOW NOTES Tim Cook joined me on the pod to discuss how Canadian contributions are frequently overlooked or diminished in discussions of the War. Most major war histories are written by British or American authors, who give little credit to the Canadians as a separate fighting force.
